Get real. Arrogant dealers come in all colors. The red dealer around here has manage to pnnnoff everybody in a 50 mile radius. They have bought out up most of the other local Case dealers. Some of the sales people that worked at those dealers before they changed hands have quit and moved on to the local JD dealers just because of the owners arrogance. Thats not a good thing when some of those sales people have been working their territory for 30+ years and have built a good dependable, friendly, solid relationship with their customers. There is one Case dealer left that hasn't sold out. And this last year was one of the best years they ever had. And yes I have dealt with an arrogant JD dealer. Fortunately, its a long ways away and the only reason I dealt with them was to buy a sprayer. Next time I will shop around. I buy green equipment because of our local Case dealer. Didn't used to be that way. Come look at our fence row and all our old equipment. Its all IH. Trucks, plows, tractors, even a cream seperator. And my advice to you Big Al. look at a JD if you don't like CNH's attitude. Maybe that will scare them. If JD is just as bad, then go to Agco or go back to Case. I'm sure either one would like a green combine on their lot. You said you didn't want to post on the JD site because you are afraid of nothing but one side replies. Well, you are getting them here too. And sorry if I came on too strong.