thanks dan just looking back at the actual usage and acres with idle time road time etc... most of the time it comes in just under 1_2 gal per acre throttled back to 1850 rpm have only been traction or hp limmited a couple of times traction when the going gets sticky of course... that 31row planter is close to a boat anchor and horse power was very rarely limmiting one field had small steep hills and i ripped it last fall and had just filled the 2bu boxes the row units were sinking aprx 8in in the soft hillsides the only real gripe i have with the tractor is that i want to plant in 10th and the shift up and down from 9th is very inconsistent and the a_c has a flaky switch somewhere it will just quit out of the blue and you will have to fiddle with the temp and fan switches and it will start up again a real plus is that the a_c works even better than the 8030 which could freze you out on a 100 degree day glad to hear my 8030 is in good hands and lookin good i was just missin her the other day when i was thinking about haying season, its a really great baling tractor (low wide and a power shift) and when i was getting ready to hook up the air drill cause now i gotta change the pump bracket and mount the monitors and my cab in the 9690 is getting full how have they been mounting the triples on the 90sIJIJIJIJ it sounds as if the hydraulic pump is running all the time.... thanks august wieser rosholt, sd