Combines Ag Issue Info

mag325

Guest
If the CRP was taken down in all areas, who would object to this happening. (EX= Game and Fish Department any others) Who would like this to happenIJ (farmers any others) If the land is only used to produce grain for fuel production under contract to a refinery, it should produce new jobs because the building of more refineries to produce fuel from grain and the need for people to run the refineries.
 

D_Mayes

Guest
Would the current grain that is being used for fuel become surpluss thus driving grain prices down even moreIJ
 

mag325

Guest
I would think that the prices would stay about the same. I think this because of the more refineries that would open and want to buy the grain to make fuel. This would also make companies like Texaco etc. a little mad or glad if they are building these refineries for the grain. I think this is right but any opinion of any kind would be helpful.
 

Deadduck

Guest
The effects of decreasing the amount of CRP to use for grain for fuel productionIJ EVEN lOWER GRAIN PRICES! Well, you can't get the cart before the horse. There are several problems with putting CRP land into production. One, of course, is that the land is tied up for 10 to 15 years. By that time, so pretty thick brush and trees can grow on it. The cost of clearing the land can be prohibitive. Another problem is that most CRP land was put into the program because it was marginal land to begin with, so the potential yields won't be that great. Some of this land is highly erodible, which would cause water quality concerns. Another factor is opportunity costs associated with this land. Down here in the South, CRP land has become valuable for its wildlife resources. let farm land grow up for 15 years and you have perfect whitetail habitat. If you have any water, you can also hunt ducks. Much of this land is worth more in a hunting club or lodge than it ever was as farm land. Finally, simply increasing the acres of grain grown hoping it will be used for fuel will result in an increased supply and drive prices down. You can't get the cart before the horse. While I support ethanol and biodiesel production and hope that it increases, the fact is that biofuels are more expensive to manufacture than their petroleum counterparts, and are not full substitues. (Biodiesel has a shorter storage life than petro diesel. Ethanol has fewer BTU's than gasoline and therefore less efficient.) While biofuel plants have improved grain prices in some local areas, the plants still buy as much damaged and poor grade grain as they can. Now if the consumer demand for the fuels reaches the point that it starts to really drive grain prices up, then farmers will start to bring CRP back into production. But the demand and hence the price has to be there first. That would require oil to be much higher than it is now, I'm afraid. But who knowsIJ Anyway, good luck with your project.
 

mag325

Guest
The land up here in the North is becoming that way too more of a wildlife preserve. There is one big problem with that. Wildfire or prairie fire due to the drought-like conditions that can develope. Some of the land can be takin out but some will stay in because the farmer who owns it should know better. There is a lot of land up here in North Dakota that is erodible that is being farmed because of no-till. No-till makes land that could be farmable easier to keep the land from eroding. I have heard of lots of sandy land that is being broken up and farmed because of no-till practices. Also there is presision farming which would make it even more profitable if done correctly. The land was highly erodible in the 1980's. Technology has gotten ahead of the program. No-till would have to be used if the farmer wants to have a crop. The way you are taking makes it seen that the CRP ground will never be cut. If that is so the land will become in a couple years not inhabital by any birds because of too much cover. This then leads to the grasses choking themselves out of the soil completly. Your opinion on this would be nice. Thanks Justin
 

nebraska_farmer

Guest
plus, if you take it out of crp, you'll have to pay back all the money you have already recieved for the years paid to you
 

Deerebines

Guest
Honestly, I don't think you will see the market on the grains in the area the refinery is setup increase or stay steady. If anything they will decrease. You are basically talking ethanol plants in whole I will assume. After the fermenting process the original product is cast out as a wet distillar grain (wdg) or dry distiller grain (ddg). Both are still high in protein and can be fed to livestock. Which, in the end, that is what your ultimate goal of the grain produced. Either food or feed. WDG's don't keep and won't mix well for a bulk bin setup. DDG's will and if availble at a cheaper price than the local elevator will have to adjust thier prices accordingly to make the product attactive to customers to buy it for thier feeding programs. Thus, bringing down the price. Face it, you wouldn't buy a byproduct unless you got it cheaper, even if the end goal was achieved. Simply because, it's a byproduct. Harvested grains in the elevator will not be able to compete pricewise then. BTW, you stated on the case page that continued growth of grass will choke out the birds and the grass it'self and cause weeds. That is a falacy. I have never seen a grass get so wirey and thick that some animal couldn't get some good out of it for shelter. I live by a wildlife and gaming preserve. As for choking it'self out. Only if you had many years of drought. The plains were grass for years and years and years and never choked out till the start of overgrazing. There is when weeds get introduced and over power a grazing or grass area.
 

wakeman

Guest
We're doing a 5 year study with the University of Nebraska lincoln right now studying the production of switchgrass to make ethanol. The goal is to use CRP acres for this eventually. Give Dr. Ken Vogel a call at (402)472-1564 or email him at kpv@unlserve.unl.edu for more information.
 

mag325

Guest
I have seen a CRP field that is suffering because of too much trash. The trash build up was getting too thick that sunlight was not getting to the grass plants in the spring thus they were killing themselves. The one plant that did not kill itself do to this from what I have seen is Alfalfa. The grass around the alfalfa plant just died out because of too much trash on the ground. Too much trash did lead to the birds not wanting to nest there. I did notice that a newly seeded CRP in the first 2-3 years will bring in wildlife like crazy. After that it seems that they move else where to find food. This is what I have noticed in the past couple years. Justin
 

mag325

Guest
You don't have to pay back the money if you wait til the contract expires.
 
 
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