Combines AGCO putting MF components in Gleaner

I would agree with you i think that MF is the one that has and should Incorporate AGCO into their products to improve them.

John - you are incorrect in your comment about the C62 being a Massey painted silver. The C62 is 100% Gleaner engineering. I was at an open house back when the C62 was first intro'd. Engineer there told us it had been designed on paper back in the 80's under Allis Chlamers as a replacement to the M3_l3 conventionals. They wanted something simpler with more parts commonality with the line of rotories. AC didn't have the $$ to continue developement so the design was shelved. AGCO simply took it where Allis left off. There is no relation between the C62 and Massey conventionals. Tom langan

You guys are funny,thanks,makes the day seem a little shorter when you start it off with a laugh.

Thanks for the correction. It looks miles away from being a successor to the l_M though. One of the things I still get a kick out of is that an l will do the work of a 9500_9510 JD, but doesn't need all that room, steel, sheet metal, and weight.

On paper the l combine will do what one of the new machines will. But we have come a long way scince then, The horsepower on a l2 @145 won't compare to the 215 or 235 of a 9500 (you picked the comparison) the grain tanks are the same size but if you are set up you can unload on the go with the 9500. Don't waste your breath telling me the augers on the older gleaners can unload on the go.They can't you will eventually rip them off if you try. I ran N5,N6,N7 for 10 years with an auger cart (750bu) for 5 years it can't be done safely. With 8-30 heads my N7 would run with the 9600 I leased two years ago,the 300 bu tank was nice when the cart wasn't around (9600 holds about 250bu) but the 9600 didn't stop to unload so it got a lot more done in a day. In 150 bushel corn you would have to stop and unload once for every 2 acres combined at least 3-5 minutes each time of course that used to give me time to stretch out and irrigate the field if needed

Ok ok calm down here now, We have been running Gleaners from l all the way to the 75 and we unload almost entirely on the go. We dont hit the cart and have excellent success with the auger system. Although they have a turret now we havent opted for it cause we actually love the way the old auger works for us. Its ok if its not your gab, but some ppl actually consider it a better system because of the simplicity and lower grain damage. I will admit in terrace channels we have bumped the auger a couple times, but we have never ever ripped one off or caused extensive damage that cause replacement of the auger or ever service to it. The reason they have the turret is to cature to another opinion, so let the guys like what they like and all will be ok in the end. Kinze has had the a sumpreme cart because the fact they have a low sidewall which makes unloading a trouble free experience, I agree if you use one of those high side carts you may have problems, but I personally dont care for them high sides anyways, I like the lower center of gravity system such as the Killbros, Kinze and a few other makes also have them.

let us not forget also that approx. 20 additional hp are required for turret unloading vs the swing-out. That alone can close the gap a bit between an l3 and a 9500 - unless Deere is still using that wunderful feature that "gooses" the engine when the unloading switch is on. -And speaking of that, nobody has ever given me a satisfactory answer as to what happens when one encounters a mudhole and lots of power is needed. If they are running that low on power that they cannot unload on the go without goosing the engine, how can they run on steep hills or in mudIJ Tom langan

Also - consider the extra hp required to pull those mammoths through the fields too vs the MUCH lighter l's! Tom langan

There are some similarities in small parts of the MF_Gleaner rotary machines. But the part sharing goes both ways. The guys working on these machines try to take the best of both and make both better. As far as the MF matching up to the Gleaner. It may surprise you. A crew from TX ran one MF rotary, R-62's, and 2388's last year and performance was quite similar. Performance favored the MF when the crop got tough.

Also had to disagree with you on unloading on the go. We have run Gleaners for nearly 35 years, back 20 years ago we ran a l3 and a straight l with a grain cart on the go, boy we sure could Knock out a lot of corn,never had enough wagons to keep up. It would get a little tricky thru waterways but you learned a knack for it especially with the lever for the unloading auger on the floor on left side of the seat on the l. Kept you pretty busy. Never tried one of the turret ones yet but with these tall wagons would probably be nice, not as simple tho. iowaR52