Combines cage sweeps

NDDan

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Well a cage sweep is what swept back and forth or fore and aft on outside of cage on N5,6,7,R5,6,7,60,70. Cage sweeps never used on R40,50,42,52,62,72,55,65,75. They sweep the outside of cage to help keep material from building up or bridging. We have removed them completely from 90% or more of the machines around here. We haven't found where they are needed if machine is hypered enough to flow straw well within cage. Most machines we have removed cage sweeps from have tin wall built up and around cage about 1_2 way starting just above left concave arm. Now I think what you are wondering about is what I call rotor sweeps. They sweep the ID of cage and run the same diameter as cylinder bar rasps. If you can picture a piece of iron running from one cylinder bar mount to the next at about the same angle as forward rasps you would be getting the picture. I built these sweeps after all else failed when tring to get long rotors to work well in tough edible beans. They worked great in that 200RPM tough crop and have since proved themselves in most other crops. I haven't heard of any crop that they caused any more loss than before but have heard less loss, less shoe load, cleaner samples, much more capacity when the crop or conditions are tough. With what I call a basic set of sweeps you remove two cylinder bars fore and aft of one another in row A and put a sweep assembly in there place. Then you move over to row B on long rotor to remove two more bars and replace with another sweep assembly. You only remove about 1_3 of the two bars in row B of a short rotor to make room for sweep. Terry at St. John adds a few of his own special tricks to his inclosed rotor but I think his agitator_pushers do similiar trick as my sweeps. I did a bunch of updating on our website lately but not done yet and site is being repaired. I'll have pictures of sweeps there very soon. Get me your email and I'll shot a couple pictures your way. If I can't find picture of sweeps on short rotor I'll send picture on long rotor so you can get the idea.
 

Rolf

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G'Day brassring We have installed Dans rotor sweeps idea in our 94 R62 for this years harvest, as we have been a bit worried of it pushing our very dry type of crops out the rotor (10% humidity 20 to 30 degrees C here) but they have been absolutely great in moving crop through our machine. We currently have been cutting lentils off at ground level and have reduced out rotor to 190 rev's (as slow as it goes) and moving along when it's hot 25 + degrees C at 7 to 7.5 km_hr with our 30 ft flex front! green patches are not a problem and we have had less losses out the back of the machine. We have only installed one set of rotor sweeps in our machine, one near the concave side of the sep section then 180 degrees opposite and at the discharge end is the second set, it works out to be about a 7 inch pitch sweep, we have also shimmed our rotor bars out by 12mm which has helped with rotor losses as well, using ROM's analogy of a fast thin mat of material going thou the rotor and we are sure it has helped with feeding as well! (no dust out the feeder house) ROM came up with the fact that we had a strip of wear on our cage just left of the concave that must have had stalled material that was going round and round in that spot, now with the rotor sweeps that just stick in to the concave area (by about and inch) there is no constipation in the spot or anywhere else for that matter in the processor!! JR over in East of our state is looking at putting a second set of rotor sweeps in his R72!!! wow will that get up and boogy!! Just for anyones info: in lentils at 20 lbs boost average we seem to get around 20 to 22 liters_hour fuel consumption over a 12 hour day of work that with stopping to unload and a few stops to blow out the skid plates of dirt. Rotor gear box is not getting the crap pounded out of it because it's smoothed out with the rotor sweeps, ground speed is more consistent as over all load on machine it smooth. Also as we have the old style concave with every second rod removed we had some trouble in lentils of not getting the pods of the seed but had the concave closed right up to 0 on readout (tight to you hear rotor clicking then backed off a couple of strokes on adjustment!!) front of concave closed up to 5 mm (might be closer to 3 mm now!!) but still had pods in sample plus splits, lot's off scratching off heads then remembered one of ROM's old Harvesting books that had wire filler bars! same size as solid filler bars but instead, two 3 mm wires welded each side of the four bolts that hold them in the convave just like standard one's, this closes up the gap in the start of concave but still lets some of the threshed seeds out into the cleaning system. Works much better and might have to make a couple more of them now that we have had some light rain to stop us and the pods will be a bit tough till it warms up again. Rolf G'Day brassring We have installed Dans rotor sweeps idea in our 94 R62 for this years harvest, as we have been a bit worried of it pushing our very dry type of crops out the rotor (10% humidity 20 to 30 degrees C here) but they have been absolutely great in moving crop through our machine. We currently have been cutting lentils off at ground level and have reduced out rotor to 190 rev's (as slow as it goes) and moving along when it's hot 25 + degrees C at 7 to 7.5 km_hr with our 30 ft flex front! green patches are not a problem and we have had less losses out the back of the machine. We have only installed one set of rotor sweeps in our machine, one near the concave side of the sep section then 180 degrees opposite and at the discharge end is the second piece, it works out to be about a 7 inch pitch sweep, we have also shimmed our rotor bars out by 12mm which has helped with rotor losses as well, using ROM's analogy of a fast thin mat of material going thou the rotor and we are sure it has helped with feeding as well! (no dust out the feeder house) ROM came up with the fact that we had a strip of wear on our cage just left of the concave that must have had stalled material that was going round and round in that spot, now with the rotor sweeps that just stick in to the concave area (by about and inch) there is no constipation in the spot or anywhere else for that matter in the processor!! JR over in East of our state is looking at putting a second set of rotor sweeps in his R72!!! wow will that get up and boogy!! Just for anyones info: in lentils at 20 lbs boost average we seem to get around 20 to 22 liters_hour fuel consumption over a 12 hour day of work that with stopping to unload and a few stops to blow out the skid plates of dirt. Rotor gear box is not getting the crap pounded out of it because it's smoothed out with the rotor sweeps, ground speed is more consistent as over all load on machine it smooth. Also as we have the old style concave with every second rod removed we had some trouble in lentils of not getting the pods of the seed but had the concave closed right up to 0 on readout (tight to you hear rotor clicking then backed off a couple of strokes on adjustment!!) front of concave closed up to 5 mm (might be closer to 3 mm now!!) but still had pods in sample plus splits, lot's off scratching off heads then remembered one of ROM's old Harvesting books that had wire filler bars! same size as solid filler bars but instead, two 3 mm wires welded each side of the four bolts that hold them in the convave just like standard one's, this closes up the gap in the start of concave but still lets some of the threshed seeds out into the cleaning system. Works much better and might have to make a couple more of them now that we have had some light rain to stop us and the pods will be a bit tough till it warms up again. Rolf
 

brassring

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Dan my e-mail is Brassring4639@aol.com Thanks for the explaination and yes you were right I was wondering about the rotor sweeps you make. looking forward to your pics and if you can throw in some prices would be great !!! thanks Bob
 

NDDan

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No not for CDF yet. Didn't get chance to run one yet so I will have to try at factory setup before any moding. Boy that will be hard to do. I've heard enough good reports on CDF the way it is so I will take it in steps. My experience with rasp bars (even all forward) just won't work with helicals well enough to keep the tough edible bean straw moving but we'll have to see with the reduced diameter CDF. Someone posted hear with some good results with CDF in edible beans last summer but I don't know how dry he had it, how many reverse bars he may have left on it, or if he added more knifes, ect. I have a couple Sunnybrook gen 2's that found there way into my territory and I've custum made sweeps for them. In fact two sets in the one doing some very tough edible beans. We'll have to see but I'm thinking there is a 99% chance we'll be doing some hyping on the CDF no matter how good it starts out. Have a good day.
 

mo

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I'm still thinking about your earlier thoughts on my uneven shoe loading. Sure is more than one way to skin a cat. After some coffee drinking and counter leaning cud chewing with my excellent dealer I think that I'm trying to address the problem after it's out the barn door. That is, I need to have the rotor_cage not bunch it in one spot as Rolf said. Therefore I'm very interested in the rotor sweeps. Please put me on that e mail. Thanks
 

Kurt

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I am also interested if you could also send me some pictures to kurtmaurath@ruraltel.net Thanks in advance, Kurt
 
 
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