The truth finally is spoken. We have had Masseys from the n21,90, 90special,410,510,(2)751s,(2)860s,8560,and now a 8570, put all of our break downs together and we couldn't touch all of that trouble. I guess our time going over the machines in the summer pays off. And we don't get a big bill from our dealer, I'd rather keep my money, instead of paying someone to do a Greenlight on the equipment. Neil