Thanks for the info guys. I got out to Great lakes in St. Mary's to see the CR960 on the lot and then a CR920 getting it's end of season tune-up in Mitchell....so I got a good look there with the sides up in the shop. Nathan, do you know how many AFX8010's have been sold in Ontario this year IJ.....I've phoned around with Vincents, O'Niels, Stratford, Stoltz, and none of them have sold any.....I sent an email to Forest but haven't heard back from them yet. Thanks,