Ed_Boysun
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This isn't exactly what you would call looking at the engine, but I would run the engine for 10 hours or so, change oil, run it for 20 or 30 hours and pull an oil analysis sample. Best $20 you'll ever spend. Ed in MT
Combines Deutz engines in used R62 s
John
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Unless the dealer has done a real good job with a pressure washer, look for oil leaks and oil and dirt build up way down deep in the cooling fins. Deutz "can't" have oil leaks or any dirt_oil_chaff build up in the cooling fins or trouble is either been there or is soon on it's way. It's the same as a plugged up radiator or low water in one in a water cooled engine. look at the back of the engine harder because the air gets slowed down the most there. If you get it,"Keep it clean, no oil leaks and blow out the chaff daily"
Vikes
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A couple of thing you should look at are the condition of the cooling fan fins. If they are sharp then the cooling fan has never been replaced and if that or the gearbox that drives that fails then you will have a lot of trouble. A quick way to check is if the fan is a different color from the rest of the engine. Also, drive it and watch the oil gauge, especially over uneven ground. If the oil pressure gauge does not jump the engine is good, but if it does, the engine has some problems.
Mike
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After having a Duetz R-62 for 2 years before going to a Cummins R62 and now a Cummins R72, I have this advice:stay the heck away from the Duetz. We really liked it the first year, more torque than the old Cummins and seemed to be a real horse. The problem is you have to blow out the engine fins everyday. You can't do it at night in the dark so you start out the day blowing bean fuzz all over the combine and yourself. Not a good way to start the day. Then if you don't blow them out for lack of air or whatever the head temp light will go crazy everytime you start to pull it. We liked it, but after the Duetz we had one of the first Quantum Cummins in a 62 and now have the big dog in the 72. I liked the Duetz's torque, but with parts being a big question and the generic servicability of the Cummins I would never go back.
T__langan
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Never had the V8 used in the big combines, but had the 6 banger in an R50 for several years and loved it. If we would have had the choice on our R52, we'd have chosen the Deutz again. As others have said, check the fan for wear - that seems to be the biggy. Oil leaks are a no-no - they cause dirt to start building up. Check the engine and hyd. oil coolers - 'specially the engine oil cooler. Chances are they are somewhat clogged, but if they are severely clogged, think twice because it may have been neglected. look at it this way, you sure don't need to worry about radiator leaks, cracked hoses, water pump failures, thermostats, etc. We have found that keeping the radiators clean is more difficult than keeping the Deutz engines clean - particularily in soybeans! 40% of potential problems are avoided so their ain't as much to have to worry about. The Deutz engines sound better than the Cummins too. The sound of a screaming Deutz with a straight stack (or two) really makes them sound like they should have a big ol' pair dragging along the ground! Reminds me of a saying - "I may be an old dog, but I can still make five tracks in the snow!" Take care and good luck! Tom langan
Gerald
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A jumping oil gauge may not mean a problem with the engine.
Rolf
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Can't resist this on on your last comment T langan!! The snow must have been really deep!!!!!!! Sorry could not resist!!!
Tom_Russell
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As Ed said, pull an oil sample for analysis. That will tell you exactly what is going on inside. I have a V8 Deutz in an 11-year-old R60. The thing I like about it is the total lack of daily maintenance. There are no fuel or oil leaks so cooling fins stay clean through the entire season without blowing them out. I would guess that those who need daily cleaning have leaks or temp sensors are giving false readings. Some say parts are hard to get. The only trouble I have had was due to poor AGCO engine parts lists. I have since listed my engine with the Deutz dealer in my state where they have a complete parts list for my engine serial number. That eliminates the guesswork needed to decipher AGCO parts lists. What parts did I needIJ I replaced some O-rings and fuel lines. Tom in MN
T__langan
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The Cummins just needed a little tweaking. When we traded our R50_Deutz in on an R52_Cummins, the 52 was a complete dog compared to the Deutz too. We were going to turn the idiot screw up to giver her mo' power but after asking about the situation on this board, the Hypers told me to send the pump down to Midwest Diesel Injection Service in Ft. Dodge, IA. The governor was not set up correctly, probably right from the factory! I can tell you with all honesty that our 52 is now a Beast Mother with power to spare!! And it uses no more fuel than it did before. It will now eat the Deutz for lunch, and I'm a big fan of the Deutz engines. Cost for recalibrating the injection pump was around $170. If a Cummins powered Gleaner is short of power, I would highly reccomend looking into getting the pump calibrated. It is by far a good investment. lee at Midwest Diesel is a real pro that knows how to set these pumps up for combine use. Any questions, email me. Tom langan
T__langan
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You know, Rolf, I've heard that same comeback many times before! And it's very true too! 