I want to join in but........I never try to win battles of this nature. Every machine has its strenghts and weakness. In 1984 perhaps an l3 was the best of the litter. However the pure simplicity of design, gentle grain handling ability, tremendous capacity, easy maintainance, great handling, comfortable cab, big bin capacity, overall smaller size, and adaptability to many crops- quickly- make the Gleaner rotary as good as or better than any other good combine on the market today. In this forum there are a bunch of good people trying to help take these 1999 features back to those earlier models and provide these owners with the satisfaction and capacity that is available.The ability to take a R_2 into white corn _ yellow corn, then green stem soybeans with only a header switch and less than an hours time make the Gleaner R series very productive machines. ResaleIJ You can argue this till you are blue in the face. You will get "I saw a 9610 or a ____ or a_____(you fill in the blanks it don't matter) sell for nearly nothing....I can PROVE to you one thing - there ain't NOBODY busting the top out of the resale market right now! So....I will try to refrain from trying to convince someone they own the wrong brand....but if anybody doesn't want to work this way and start a war of words ...us silver (painted now by the way) guys got a load of ammunition startin from 1923 ....does the M.A.D nuke policy pertain to combine warsIJ kepp up the good posts and keep those cards and letters comin in