I didn't say that it cost me $3 to run the tractors. I said it cost me $3 to OWN. There is a difference. And, I'm not talking in the same HP ranges as you are either. One was about 100HP, and the other was 150HP, but it was kind of a "main" tractor for about 6 years. Don't get all worked up, I know we're not comparing apples to apples. As far as the 8010's go, I think the stories of their demise have been prematurely written, but we shall see. Plenty of guys having as bad or worse prob's with the STS's. Your old worn out 2388 would probably be a big step up for me;0) I'm not big, so I've gotta operate cheap. Can't get the deals the big guys get, so you gotta make it up somewhere. By the way, I'm not bragging, I just thought you'd want to know where some of the competition is, I was really hoping you'd get more replies. Trying to keep equipment expenses(read payments_depreciation) below $25_acre. Chads