tbran and HyperII- The Agco guys took another crack at it yesterday, found that there were 2 blown o-rings in the fwd_rev valve body. They put another solenoid coil on also, they thought the old one might have been iffy. Neighbor went for a joyride through the mush this evening and pronounced it fixed. lord willing, the deer won't be eating our corn tomorrow night. Thanks for your help, both of you. This was the first look I got at a newer machine, we own an E that doesn't float.