Combines Food For Thought

[angus11]

I'll have to agree, I'm not saying Deere has bad equipment, I would buy certain products from Deere if they were a little more inline money wise. I know people have been asking what's going to happen to cnh, I feel they are not going any where, they'll be here years to come. Deere has had excellent marketing and financing for years, thats why they sell more. With all there lease returns, they have flooded the market with combines, put that with a slow economy and you get cheap equipment. All that shiney equipment doesn't make them better farmers, we've had neighbors that had allot of shiney machinery, but have sold out, and wish they could go back and do things different

 

[dakota]

I think that people who own other colors than green are more mixed. So you wouldn't find a pure NH auction.

 

[2rotorsrule]

I realize that, but they are there, and you hardly see any auctions with New Holland equipment, maybe one tractor or something, but there are plenty of people with lots of New Holland equipment and you just don't see them. My question is guess is what % of auctions are green equipment, I bet its higher than the actual percentage of their market share.

 

[NHD]

I wrote my comments about this yesterday ,but I used a naughty word and it wouldn't go thru. Sales people are responsible for alot of the weight in the new combines. 1. They wanted the aunloading auger system so they would be like the big boys. Actually it is better and of course heavier too.2. The engineers never wanted aftermarket bin extensions because they said the frame wasn't heavy enough.3. You shold hear all of the complaints about the STS's short life because of wear. 4. Self-leveling shoe adds a lot of weight, but well worth it.5. drives and gear boxes are heavy and need to be so that adds weight. 6. The nice cab is quite heavy too. 7. Final drives, rims, and planetary's are heavy too. So I don't know where to cut.Companies now days hire engineering companies to design equipment like combines for them rather than having 8-10 design people on the full time payroll. They all use CAD software. The software tells them how large of bearings and strength of material to use.

 

[StillFarming]

last I knew in North America Deere combines and large row crop tractors accounted for roughly 50-60% of the market each. CaseIH was running around 25-30% for both markets as well. Of course these numbers fluctuate a bit depending on marketing and financing programs going on at the time. That doesn't leave much for NH or the other players but historically I believe NH ran in 5-7% range for combines and maybe a bit higher in tractors since the Genesis. So the number is more like 10 Deere to 1 NH as far as equipment numbers in the field overall, with pockets of greater strength for both. Also in my area I can't think of too many folks that are 100% NH, but can think of quite a few that are all green or red. As far the farm sales go I'm 100% confident that the brand of machinery you run is of little consequence of whether or not the owner is successful. Overall there is very little difference in prices between the companies for similarly equipped machines and the reliability for these machines is similar. Of course we all know of particular expections for each brand but as a whole they are comparable. Success will be determined by how good of a business person they are, or in some cases who will bail them out of trouble (i.e. family money). My 2 cents.