Combines GET ON THE BIODIESEl BANDWAGON

Sorry to dissappoint you but I think biodiesel is a dead end road just like ethanol. It just costs too much energy to produce it. Therefor the government gives tax incentives. But how would anyone pay for the roads if we'd all switch to ethanol and biodieselIJ The only real alternative is the Elsbett engine. The Elsbett motor is based on diesel technology but is able to burn unrefined vegetable oil. The oil just needs to be pressed out of the seed and filtered. It DOS NOT NEED a rafinerie. In theory every farmer could produce this kind of fuel right on the farm. At the same time the Elsbett motor is about twice as effecient as a diesel engine. Because it creates so little heat, it doesn't even require a radiator. I have seen this engine running myself in a tractor and a car in the late 80s. For more info check the link below. Of course the government and the oil industrie is keeping this option very quiet yet.

I agree with you on the Elsbert, but Biodiesel isnt a dead duck, just use it if you can!

it costs too much to produce compared to whatIJ compared to the tax deduction that oil companies get for exhaustion of a finite resourceIJ they would still pay for roads the same way they do now...

Have used biodiesel at about a 4% mix for 4 years now in all engines, R72 M11 included, and works great!! How can we expect this product to develop if we do not use it ourselvesIJIJ I am on the band wagon!

Check how much natural gas an ethanol plant uses. It is at least 50% of the energy amount of ethanol produced. If you add the amount of energy the farmer uses to produce the grain for this ethanol production it gets even worse. I read your ncga site, you gave us. It stated that the $150 billion of oil industry tax insentives is a sum up since 1968. That is 35 years and would ammount to an average of $4.2 billion per year. They didn't tell us for how many years they have subsidiced ethanol. Surely not since 1968. Interesting would be to see how much the subsidies per gallon amounts to, so we can actually compare apples to apples. The other thing is, ethanol is only be used to blend gasoline. So you still need crude oil and raffineries. An Elsbett motor runs on 100% vegetable oil.

there are many vehicles currently on the market that use E-85 and that number increases everyday

I E-Mailed Shell to find out if they carry BioDiesel.They do not but are investigating it. No one it seems in SE IN seems to carry it...what a shame. I will use if I can get it. The vegetable oil vehicles sounds unique, but impractical here. Do I drive my Gleaners in McDonalds and tell them "Supersize my fry order ..hold the fries ...I just wanted the oil"! The Buses in DisneyWorld ran on 100% SoyOil 5 years ago. I wanted it then, little exhaust smell.My 2 cents

dakota, I have enjoyed your well crafted and researched posts for some time now, but I am shocked by your comment about both biofuels. The net energy gains in the making of ethanol is well documented, and the efficiencies of the newest plants are such that subsidies would not HAVE to be there anymore to guarantee the success of the industry. They do help to ramp up the production sooner, in my view. The blend of biodiesel has tremendous synergies with regular diesel in pollution reductions as well as added equipment longevity with increased lubricity. I too want a better engine to be developed as soon as possible, but these fuels have definite positives and can immediately be used in every type of moving vehicle today. We have to deal with the situation as it is, and to me that means supporting these new fuel developments.

Thank you ramrod!!!!