Combines Hey Red Painter

Bluestem, Glad you got a chance to check that site out. I think that Agco Allis name was reincarnated when they bought the Deutz Fahr company in Argentina. Why IJ Maybe Deutz wanted it that way or Agco wanted their name only. I think that Deutz Fahr had bought a respected planter and maybe tillage manufacturer some time before their sale to Agco which gave them a line from which Agco added the White planter and other New Idea and Hesston hay tools. Did you see the Hesston _Deutz Allis swathers like the series that used to be sold in North America before the latest seriesIJ I think they're sold under the Massey name there too. I think this stuff is assembled or manufactured in the Massey factory in Brazil. Deutz Fahr was a popular tractor in Argentina. Originally the company in Argentina was probably started by Fahr and was an early and respected manufacturer of tractors. That reputation probably continues. As far as marketing Agco Allis seeding equipment in NA, I think that Agco wants machinery with name recognition and the White planter is highly regarded . Maybe if there were more dealers selling only Agco Allis, they would put that name on them. Many dealers sell Allis, White, and Massey brands at the same location and one brand name is sufficient. Agco seems to put more names on some machinery and take some off others. I don't know why they can paint an Agco tractor orange but not silver also for those who want it and then paint it yellow. So far I've not heard of any yellow gleaners but who knows. Have you checked out the European Massey siteIJ We'd better go to the Massey site on that. I could maybe give you an address that would maybe work if your computer is low on power. Check out this address for used Argentine tractors and equipment and click on the blue listings on the left if you haven't checked it out before. www.folmer.com.ar_catologo_usados.htm

It is nice to hear from you. I will visit the site that you showed me I don't think I have seen it before. When I buy the new computer here pretty quick I am going to visit the Massey worldwide website I am very curious about what different kinds of equipment it has in it. I did not know that the Massey name was still used on tillage equipment until you told me. I have another question do you know if Agco still holds the manufacturing rights for the old model "A" Gleaner they are a truly remarkable little machine and with smaller combines still being built and sold new in various parts of the world how well do you think a model "A" Gleaner would sell in Europe and other placesIJ Thank you for the help I am learning a lot from you.

Bluestem, I'm not sure Agco has the rights to the A . Another post had said that the rights to the M were sold if I'm right. They may still have the rights to other makes, but with the Gleaner plant closed who know what remains. I would think that casting molds or whatever would no longer exist for production. I doubt that there would be any market for that size of combine being that labor is a big part of manufacturing and even little combines would cost alot. The Gleaner A would need more walker room for all their straw and moisture although the A's sold in Britain looked like orange US built A's. I know little about Europe other than a few things I've read and a little time in Germany and Italy years ago. It's my understanding that farms are getting bigger in Europe too. It may be that alot of farms there have contractors (custom cutters) cut their crop or harvest their silage etc. I'v heard their yeilds in some countries are very big . I'v read they have trams or sprayer tracks across the field where they periodically feed the crop fertilizer and apply chemicals to prolong growing time. Combines must be big and powerful to thrash that kind of crop or keep custom operators going. These are my thoughts. I don't know if I;m right. Some input from Europe or the UK could explain growing ,harvest, and combine ownership .

Yes in reality an A Gleaner would just not sell with the short sraw walkers the machine would not work to well in the damp and heavy straw conditions for european farmers. And Gleaner is truly not the same as it used to be. The only thing that has not changed with Gleaner is the name. Now everyone buying a new combines wants electronically monitored GPS equipment machines. Thanks for the information.