we run massey run an 8570 MF and an 4840 MF 4wd and i know one thing at least massey can actually paint a combine! something gleaner hasn't done till just recently. i know one thing that the MFs 2000 series masseys were real bad i will admit that but the 8000 series both of them are great people love the 4000 series tractors too. but one thing agco and massey needs are DEAlERS period massey is closer to us than agco mf is like 27 and 32 miles but the MF dealer will go out to help us that is something the agco dealer won't. no offense here but the 8000 series is bad in my mind rough starting, noisey seat, and loud inside the cab. allen