Combines How can we do a better job in miloIJ

I'm with you Rolf on the knifes or pegs sticking threw cage (easy to remove and replace) even though I don't know what milo looks like. We have used pegs or sickle knifes on a variety of setups with good results in other crops. I am although reluctant to use them sort of retarders without a full set of forward cylinder bars. We used the pegs mainly to reduce rotor loss and only needed in a couple situations. We have tried and admit that only a few stationary knifes will cut up material. We did that for a R70 with no chopper that either needed to stop harvesting tough soybeans or install chopper to chop things up. Other wise what I can put together for green milo is you need to prevent rolling up the green leafs or cut the leafs open. First thing I heard to help the most is seperator grate cover kit which was originally made for low straw conditions in Australia !!!! That kit would fit the old stationary grate on the large P3s fine but needed alot of modifing to fit small P3s or adjustable seperator grates. loewen makes nice covers for both. Evedentally the seperator grate that run approx 1" from bars would allow leaves to roll and trap seeds. Installing a rasp bar on the stationary grate without cover installed will close up that clearance and very likely tear up leafs. Installing rasp bar on grate has been done lots for corn but may break up cobs when they other wise may not be broke. I would love to see peg bars in place of reversed bars for I think that will work very well and would likely help tear up tough leaves in corn also. I have four flat iron bars that I have four slicers welded to. I had tried them very late one fall to help cut up edible bean straw. I didn't give them a good test for weather ended the season before I gave a good try. Never reinstalled but had to pull them from shelf after Tbran reported on some trials he was doing with similiar bar. Anyway I hope Gleaner does do their job on this stuff. With them peg bars, or slicer bars, or rotor sweeps we can harvest crops with these machines that we never though possible. Why not an attachment book like we had in the old days when Gleaner ruled the market. Sorry so long.

More time to wright now!! If im correct, milo (Sorghum!!) is a small grain and is itchy as all heck!!! I would be trying the basics first, you can close the front of the concave down pretty tight I run ours at 3 mm gap at the front with last top check bar just clipping high rasp bar, then set the gaudge at 0 on the out side (you run a very thin wedge!!) then run it a bit open from there! Also if you don't have repeats (returns to drum) I would be looking at putting in some more filler bars!! We can use up to 6 (six) filler bars in the likes of canary seed or linseed (flax) just to get the littler bugg*ers to thrash. (and thats with a repeats auger!!) I would be closing the front of the concave up to the last mark (Min) and adding a couple of filler bars even if you already have three in there!!! I have 1_2 inch rasp bars on the concave side and 3_4 on the sep side as that seems to give us the best thrashing and separating!! then there's the mods!!!! Hmmm once you have got the right Combo of upgrades for your type of crops you would never go back to the factory set-up! keep trying as there is a set-up that will work right for you!!! Rolf PS: For Anybody's Information, We have installed two posifeed rollers from my neighbour Steven Schulz the inventor! these feed rollers should really help a lot in any crop, hope to have pictures soon!!!

How about them blade bars you have down there. They are twice the height and about half the rasps of a standard wide rasp bar. Placeing a couple two or four of them in would sure keep the seperator side swept but maybe wouldn't open the leaves. They would close up gap from bar to cage similiar but likely better than the seperator grate cover kit would do. I would sure like to try some rotor sweeps in milo but have my doubts they will open up leaves. Maybe St. Johns welding has got there cylinder with sweeps into green milo. What in the world are posi feed rollersIJ It make me think of what we call bean roller. It is 3" tube with four 1_4" rods welded to it and spins just behind pickup header in front of header auger. It does a very good job at keeping the beans moving in a dead area. That would realy be the ticket for dead area behind cutter bar on flew head but you would have trouble getting it to flex. Has anyone ever seen this vibra sheet for behind cutter barIJ Take care

Yer right NDDan I forgot about those Blade bars!! one of the guy's around here had them in his R72 to help with Rotor loss when he was in barley!!! he claims it did make a difference, but he's was one of those guy's that got in and turned the key and went like a cut cat!!!!!!! not much in the R and D department!!! he's now got a green one in his shed!!!! (The boy's at our local AGCO dealer ship gave a corrective sigh of relief when he went to Green!!!!!) I might try and find a couple of them ther Blade bars to take some pictures to post!!!!! I do have to ask Steven the inventor of the posifeed rollers if I m aloud to post the pictures I have, of the rollers here on the net!! He's making them for all makes and models of headers (combines!!!) so he's having fun at just how many different variations there are of each individual make and models there are out there! but I sure he's on a winner!!! Rolf

The " vibra mat" as it is called here in Oz is a piece of heavy vinyl about 10" to 12" deep laying full length of the header just behind the knife. It is attached to the knife by bolt on clips every few inches and oscillates with the knife strokes. Any very light crop or heavy dead type material is kept agitated by the vibrating mat and moves back to the table auger. In the right conditions [ bad feeding conditions ] its a handy bit of gear and can save a lot money spent on blood pressure pills!..

The " vibra mat" as it is called here in Oz is a piece of heavy vinyl about 10" to 12" deep laying full length of the header just behind the knife. It is attached to the knife by bolt on clips every few inches and oscillates with the knife strokes. Any very light crop or heavy dead type material is kept agitated by the vibrating mat and moves back to the table auger. In the right conditions [ bad feeding conditions ] its a handy bit of gear and can save a lot money spent on blood pressure pills!..