one thing i will say illinois gleaner, is that if it wasn't for AGCO there would be no gleaner they have both been bought out either way you slice it, i know i have heard from our MF rep that MF combines are number 1 that is not counting the challenger line. he says over and over they are number 1 but what it sounds like to me is neither of them know whats going on which sounds like agco. i will say one thing our only problems with our combine all came from the gleaner line, hate to say that buts its a fact, feeder house, air conditioner being the main 2, as the mechanic tells us why do u put an air conditioner in all that dust underneath the feeder houseIJ sounds like they are nothing thinking again, the sisu motor i am not sure of yet, i think to get new customers they would much rather have a cummins than a motor they know nothing about. but i could be wrong i hope i am for their sake, i keep hearing they are going to 1 combine, and i'm sure they will lose one of us as a customer either way they go so we will both agree they need to keep them seperate for both ends, i do see making them all one in some aspects to save money, but why did agco offer the mf combine painted silver in the smaller versions i will never know that one as u said somewhere if u wanted one u could buy the red one same here on my end, that still has me asking questions, i know agco has problmes i hope they get them all worked out before it is too late that is for sure, if you lose a person in business its real hard to ever get them back. sorry just my opinion. allen