Combines Is the 8010 a New Holland or CaseIH

[Farkle]

Ahh let me think here. Perhaps the New Holland is a CNH 8010 painted yellow. But who would really know with this messed up company.

 

[farmboy]

You named 6 things between the combines that are similar. Now go look at both of them, and start comparing them, they are a lot more different than you think. Yes, the paint and shields are completely different. Choppers_spreaders, cab setup, lights, engine setup, cleaning fans, feeder houses, return grain are all different designs. Case has a CVT to run the rotor along with a rotor reverser, NH doesn't. Case has a total of 5 belts, everything else is hydraulic, NH has more belts and less hydraulics.

 

[larryNCKS]

Really, what difference does it makeIJ I can't afford either one of them!

 

[farmert]

Is it a GMC or a ChevyIJIJIJIJ only 20% in common bettween a NH and a 8010

 

[Wind]

Beg to differ Tony. Same frame and finals. Take some measurements on the cab and you will see that the frame there is the same also. If I remember right, the platform was given to the Case engineers and they were told they would have to stuff a single rotor module into the basic frame. They were able to change drives and some of the framework to meet the needs of the rotor drive and tailor the cab to their liking. The side panels are totally different, but that is only cosmetic. The choice for some hydraulic drives was due to the way that NH had the drive shafts running through the twin rotor module. How do I know, i was there when the first CR was delivered to the Case engineering group.

 

[farmert]

well good for you I engineer that took me on tour of thr GI plant told me there was 20% of teh parts in common they wanted more looking at the 2 machines you can tell they are not the same. I'm not even arguing this anymore go run your 1420

 

[JHEnt]

You couldn't be more wrong. They gave the basic separator to the CaseIH engineers and then let them do basically whatever they wanted. If you were to unbolt the upper chassis from the lower unit, the cleaning shoe is mostly the same. CaseIH used a different fan and made their own rethresher. Above that the entire upper chassis that is actually mechanically involved with combining is different. look at it this way from feederhouse, rotor_upper chassis, rear discharge beater, rear spreader and all of the chassis supporting it are all CaseIH. The drive gearbox behind the engine is completely different. The engine compartment is different, even the muffle on the IVECO engine. All machine drives are different and most are hydrostatic. Whats the sameIJ basic engine. Cab components, graintank sheet metal_unloading auger, lower chasis including transmission_final drives_ rear axel.

 

[Wind]

First off, no need to be snotty about the combine I run. Second, the 8010 has an Iveco, rightIJ That right is worth about 10% of the total parts in the combine. The grain tank and unloading system are common, another maybe 5 to 10%. The cleaning system is very much the same, so another 5 to 10%. The cab frame is made in the same place, another 2%, include seats and other common stuff, maybe up to 5%. Axles and frame components that are common, maybe another 5%. The list keeps going on, every little bit adds up to a higher percentage than 20%. For example, one change to the lower frame, like a mounting rail, does not mean that the rest of the parts are not common. Take into account that the NH engineers were not happy at all about having to make another color combine in their factory, having to pick up 2388 and 2377 production which brought in very dated tooling. My understanding from another guy who still is at Case, the Grand Island people don't like the Case guys, don't like the Case combine, and don't like the Case portion of the company very well. Maybe that is where the 20% came from, maybe more of a complaint than a fact.