Combines New 2388 s

I don't think there has been as many problems with the CR's as the 8010'sIJ I will agree the the weight may be a problem in mud. But where do you make them lighter with out making them cheaper qualityIJ I hear low power on every make of engine nowdays, tractors, combines and trucks. I think we can thank our EPA for that. I don't think there is anything wrong with a 2020 head. I run a NH 73c and it will cut with anything anybody else has. I had the most problems with the long dividers and that part came from CIH heads. I have a neighbor that has two 8010's and ran with no or few problems this fall. I hear that they cut 450 acres of beans in one day and had to move to three fields to do that. Not bad I may say. I think a lot of CR's and 8010's have ran good this year, but there are always a few that may not. I see that over on the green page also. FR the 8010 may not be the combine for you as you seem to have to farm alot and need to get it done fast. Maybe you should hire it done for youIJ

Yes I guess you are right the 8010 probably is not for me I guess I was led to beleive that it would out perform my 2388s which it dose per hr but not per day and I guess all the people that e mail me were wrong to they want there 2388s back also 1 person thought we should start a class action law suit against CNH and yes its just a few that did not work all the rest were just great CNH wishs that was the case but its not and they know they have a real problem and yes we do run a lot but I would like to here how many acres should a person have to justify one in your opinion and how much per day should one expect to harvest with it and my 2388s do everything I need them to do but I thought I would improve productivity maybe go to 2 8010s instead of 3 2388s but that was not the case with the 8010 we went backwards on productivity. And about the 2020 I have not used one but the people that are using it on the 8010 said there 1020 worked better so that s why I say stick with 1020s on 2388s cause they work!

I just don't know what to think about what I read on here sometimes. A class action law suitIJ Why, because it harvested 4,999 bph and not 5,000IJ Because it weighs to muchIJ Because an o-ring is outIJ How much lost time did you have this fallIJ You still got crop out in the fieldIJ All I see a law suit doing is getting rid of the red CIH combine and you guys driving a red painted NH. Plus all of us will pay for your law suit in higher combine prices and higher parts prices. Are they not high enough alreadyIJ And another thing, did not CIH and your dealer do everything they could for youIJ I don't think any money came out of your pocketIJ Why would they want to sell you any 2388's with all the problems you are giving themIJ I sure wouldn't want to be your dealer. Sorry to go off on you but all I see here was two of you guys that had problems. I am sure there is more out there that was not happy. But there is many that had great luck with the 8010. like I said my neighbor traded 3 2388's for 2 8010's and rented more ground. It worked great for him. I don't know why I am even sticking up for the 8010 as I would never have one. I will take the CR. I guess I just don't like people saying that NH screwed up the CIH combine when I think CIH can do a good job by themselfs. I hope things work out for you in whatever combine you have next year. I am sure your 8010 will have good trade value, if you don't talk to bad about it on here. Ilnewholland

FR did'nt say he was going to sue anybody. He only said someone else mentioned it. This is'nt the only message board that talks about CNH or Deere or AGCO. If FR or anyone else has problems with a machine, there's no reason not to voice them here or on another bb. Just the same, if someone has great luck with a machine, voice your opinion here. FR's experience with the 8010 can and probably will become more common as more farmers with the same soil types and conditions start to buy their new 8010s. I think FR and any other owners of a new machine that has either quality control problems or was'nt tested proper in enough different conditions, should be compensated for their losses somehow. The seal is one thing, that stuff is what warranty is for, but the weight of the machine without a low ground pressure option is just careless on the manufacturers side. There is more than enough farming done on soft soil that any responsible factory should take it into consideration when designing a new peice of equipment.

I sure hope you can farm better than you can read, you go off on me of what other people said, you got a problem and I will not respond to any more of your posts because you do not no sh-- about a 8010 when you own one then you can talk how good they are, sure glad your neighbors are working so well they probably will eventually run you out of business because you wont come close to 450 acres in a day. Have a nice day.

I know I was a little hard on FR. I just don't like unnecessary law suits. I am sure he had a few problems. But I think the combine weight was printed someplace before he purchased it. We have a very muddy harvest here right now and a lot of corn and beans out in the field yet. They just don't make a combine to go in the mud when it rains every few days. Most years are not like this, maybe 1 in 20IJ That is kind of hard for a manufacture to test. That is farming. I have had products that have not worked out for me. Some have cost me money because I did not check them out good enough or I took the word of some salesman. That happens sometime. That was my fault. I wish FR the best and I think if 2388's work for him that is great then. Wish you the best FR.

I have to respond to one more nerve you hit who the he-- do you think is going to pay for that combine if it does not cost me any thing do you have a rich dad that pays for yours you must not know the value of 1_4 of a mill and yes my dealer did everything possible they are very discussed also, they would rather technican was working on something else, and if case does not want to sell me combines cause we tell the truth so be it and like I said before you cant read cause I have never had troble with the 2388s and when we do we can fix them ourselves, and parts are available, not the case with the 8010 they still have not sent warranty parts yet.

Now you hit a nerve of mine. I have a very sick Dad right now. I have many hospital bills to pay. Sometimes money can not fix everything. If only I had problems with a combine. I really do wish you the best. It has been a rough few days for me and I am sorry to take it out on you.

I except your apolage I hope your dad gets beter I have my mother in hospital a I do not think she will get back home so I guess we all have problems and do not need to deal with immaterial items like combines when there are much more important things in life like a person health.GOOD lUCK and I truly do mean that FREIND.

Sorry to hear about your dad. What happens to the beans if it freezesIJ I hope you can get the crops off before they rot, I guess this is a bad weather for a lot of people. And now your year is worse in other ways too. I cannot and willnot speak for FR as I dont know him nor have ever met him, but I respect his position just like I respect anybody elses. He has spent a lot of money on a machine that was supposed to have been tested and refined enought to sell to the general public around the world. Turns out for what ever reason, case jumped the gun a bit and several 8010s have fell short of their advertised claims. For FR's operation, it fell way too short and he, just like you or me cant afford a loss on that large of scale. (Case cant either, but I'd rather loose a public equipment manufacturer to the bank than another farmer. Where are you located and how will this late wethaer related harvest effect your planting for next yearIJ