Combines New Gleaner Rotor

I myself being a gleaner lover have to disagree a little bit. We do have guys with alot og knowledge, I'm not going touse any names in this paragraph. because the good knows whos good and the bad knows whos bad. After talking to the guys at Hesston they are having serios soudts about the new rotor in wheat, fall crops seem to be what it was designed for period. Unfortunately back to the guys at AGCO we have alot of dead weight that needs to be cleeaned up because were are farther behind right now than we ever have been and that is a fact, at least in the U.S. Just look at the sales, higher sales you say, yes but foreign ground is carrying us. Don't get me wrong I love gleaners always hav probably always will but if they don't listen to customers and start doing a better job with their prototype equipment such as the new rotor they would know that wheat dosen't work very good in wheat. And yes some of the names you mentioned shared this comment with me (about the rotor) so don't think I'm on here yammering, it's all factual

Does someone have a technical explanation as to why this new rotor will not shine in wheatIJ Thanks

Call the boys at hesston and ask them, or tell them you want one to go to the wheat field. Watch them back up

OK, lets get things out in the open. There is really not a big problem in Hesston. Any time you make a specialized modification we all know it is for a specialized aplication. If you want the best corn machine possible, chances are it aint the best wheat machine you could build. Gleaner and Agco are behind in numbers, not because of design or a problem in Hesston, but because most of the dealers suck.............what dealers there are left. There are little or no dealer standards. Most Agco dealers could not pass the minimum requirements to be a "green shop". Talking with custom cutters and friends that make the harvest run, I hear them say that nothing will cut with one but that doesnt do you any good if you cant get service or parts. Granted there are still a couple good dealers out there, but they are in the minority.

This season will be our 3rd for rotors with 6 rows of bars in wheat, and so far what we've done has been very successful. I believe I can shed some light on what's happening but it will require a fairly long post. Tomorrow AM (Saturday 6_18),I'll post and begin a new set. Terry Welch

vstk, I can agree with alot of your words. But if you buy a corn soybean special you shoulnd't have to carry to rotors. Thats what i'm getting at. But yeah you good some good points

Terry how do they work in other crops milo corn beans reverse bars needed

Ours work very well in the crops you mention, including very high moisture milo. No reverse bars required. We only use reverse bars on IH and JD rotors. I'll start a new thread and see if I can explain what I think is happening.

I'm not sure what you disagree a little with. I didn't say there isn't some dead meat (like all companys put up with for one reason or another). I have little to no doubt they will have new rotor working just fine in wheat. I believe they have proven it in corn and beans and that may be main crops it's sold into. If it don't work up to potential in wheat and other crops they could always look into shimming thresher bars and or higher knifes (lots of give and take posibilities to match there mix of crops). Report I got from very reliable custom harvester is the 25" proto CDF is working just wonderfully. Give the guys some time to work out any posible problem in wheat before giving up on them. Contact your area marketing specialist if you have some gripes. This is a very recent division set up to listen and take notes. The highest up in company set up this program so someone will be accountable. I won't get into no numbers with you but I can say AGCO has or is now putting lots of money toward combine divisions. I'm with VSTK for I believe these machines as we get them today are fairly close perfection. Fairly close does not mean there isn't work to be done to finish off the job. Keep in mind that some of the reputation out there comes from many years ago. You can quickly earn back some reputation if you pay attention to the positive feed back on this page. It doesn't take much to get the newer machines going and not much more for the older. It surely won't take two rotors and or a different set of concave to switch between crops. Have a good day.

Harvester; You talk about rotor speeds 400 to 900 for the straight bar rotors. I am talking about doing corn at 240 to 270 rpms where I run all my corn (Which gets Really rumbly with the past Gleaner rotors). Unbelievable grain quality. I have not heard anyone with experience on the new rotor talking about grain quality. What are your observations; corn and soybeansIJ Thanks.