Combines Not Rumor Straight from the top

Now I can really see the logic to this as far as keeping the Gleaner line. It would be suicide not to, and as I have stated below, the Gleaner line is just too powerful to just dump it. As for the rest of the story, I can see where you are coming from, for sure, but still won't know positively until that bridge is crossed.

Was told about 3 years ago,that the new big Gleaner would be of Massey design.As far as board room decisions,sometimes they don't pan out in the "real" world as well as on paper.Have several friends that run 9690 Masseys,they are a simple machine too,lots of capacity,until you get to sidehills.

Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year.

The Challenger_MF combines has as much capacity on sidehills as a Gleaner, if you know how to set them and put the risers on the sieves and grain pan. And I have run Gleaner R series in the past so this is not just a Challenger owner trying to put down Gleaner. The Challenger_MF is as easy to work on as any Gleaner( A,M N7,R62) I have owned in the past. A lOT of things are common to both aready, cab, final drives, transmission,headers, controls, etc. The new Gleaner rotor came from the MF design. As time goes on more things will come from both sides to make both machines BETTER.

You must explain how the other combine gets rid of excess MOGIJ Does the other combine have a two system air blast (the first doing the precleaning). You must explain to me how the other combine gets the grain to the upper side of the sieve. No boards are going to accomplish the uphill trick. Nothing wrong with the other machine but it is not a GlEANER rotary. No doubt the other combine will work out well, but the jury is still out on that hyd. cly. constant speed thing. As for the new Rotor in the gleaner a success has a 1000 fathers and a failure none. (bisson, st.johns, sunnybrook) and now MF want credit. Interesting.

Maybe find out who makes the new Rotor before you bash the aftermarket guys.....

I have ran the 75 and 9790 in the same field, although the 9790 will walk a little faster maybe (big maybe since the 75 wasnt a CDF) when I got to slopes that lasted long enough to start overloading the down side of the machine the Gleaner just walked on buy and said see you later. Massey design will need some type of leveler or hillside option to satisfy current Gleaner owners. Going around a terrace for 200 yards will make the Massey loose capacity but when she levels out here she comes again. Risers are bandages and will fill up with grain and start running over, acclerators rolls never allow this to happen on the Gleaners

ok! here they are which one is 25"'s cdf rotor http:__www.minnesotafarmguide.com_articles_2006_01_03_new_products_new22.txt stjohns http:__www.stjohnwelding.com_St_John_Weldin_Enclosed_Cylix.html sunnybrook http:__www.sunnybrookwelding.com_hiecyl.html massey page 9 http:__www.masseyferguson.com_agco_MF_NA_CombHarv_9000CombBroNA.pdf bison http:__www.hurttequipment.com_hurtt.cfmIJID=8

I'm sure with you on all the benifits we could brag about on the Gleaner. Now days better than ever with hypermods and or various cylinders available to enhance the natural flow. The less MOG to deal with on shoe the better. If the axial machines can evenly control grain and MOG that exits threw cage in all the various conditions the more power to them. When I look at a rotor I look at area in which threshing and separating is done. I totally discount feeding and discharge area if separation isn't still possible. Gleaner uses basically all 90". Now of course it makes a difference how well they use the length and diameter they have. If Gleaner wanted or needed more separating area without going wider there is plenty room for larger cage. Anyhow I wanted to say something about rotors you mentioned. Bison is to be 25" and is very radically different from any others. Don't know anyone from Bison that claims any credit for CDF. Sunnybrook and St. John both use flat mounted Gleaner cylinder bars at 25". Sunnybrook steigers the bars and St. John mounts all bars in line total length of rotor. St. John has six rows of bars and agitator pusher bars (I call them sweeps). MF uses Gleaner bars on 27.5" cylinder and I couldn't say if they are flat mounted or tilted into flow like Gleaner. Don't know when MF started using knifes like the CDF is borrowing but I would guess before they even started using the Gleaner bars. I would say the CDF is a product of several things. One is success of half height bars hyper harvest was having. Another is leaving half the bars off standard rotor and or St. John six bar system with pushers preventing broken cobs. Another is bars extended to discharge which Gleaner had in place on standard rotor prior to CDF. Another is benifits of enclosed design that St. John and Sunnybrook had. Forward tilted bars and effective discharge design borrowed from standard rotor. I think there is a lot of credit to go around on the CDF. Special thanks to a guy or guys at Gleaner that maybe jumped threw some hoops to get these plans into protos and testing. Also to the guys that got them into production quickly. This will be great for all us Gleaner guys even if something better is around the corner. Have a good one.

CDF is 24" in diameter, a big reason for its success in lower power requirements and better cob integrity in corn. And it was developed and is built in-house by AGCO.