Combines Questions concerning AGCOSTAR

[Farmer_Ed]

My question is, why did AGCO-AllIS ever go back to the design of the MF big 4 wheel driveIJ I feel strongly they should have went back to the awesome design of the White tractors such as the 4-210. You can't beat those tractors. They are streamlined, simple, reliable, narrow, powerful, balanced, adjustable, 3-point and pto standard, a joy to ride and drive in. I think AGCO-AllIS screwed up, they should have went to the WHITE design and then they would sell like hotcakes. Everyone, and I'm talking everyone in my area loves those tractors and said if they'd come out with that again, they'd get one instead of those tractors you bounce your "*****" off in with the smaller front tires. I think today I would go to a Cat track tractor but if they come out with the late style Whites, you'd see one of the best tractors on the market again!!!!!!!!

 

[kp]

I have heard some rumblings that Agco is going to nix the ago-star line due to poor sales. Our dealer had 2 of them on his lot for 3 yrs, then finally gave them back because he couldnt give them away. Never tried one myself but from just sitting in it, seems more like a tank than a tractor. As far as reliablity I think they have been pretty decent. I would be quite concerned about resale value, our dealer offered the big one w_triples for $125,000 CDN, and we ended up paying $150,000 for a green one instead (3 yrs ago) just because we knew it would hold its value. Via the rumer mill, I heard that Agco was going to start selling tractors from the Buehler plant in Winnipeg and paint them red and call them Massey (IJIJstep backwardsIJIJ),although that is a pretty decent tractor in itself. Also, maybe take a look at the new Stieger tractors. They seem like the next 'generation' as far as 4wd tractors go, although i am not a red man myself but would not mind having one of these puppies on my farm.

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

I can't agree with you more! We had a 4-150, 4-175 and 4-210; - all excellent units! Thier low profile design and "engine out front" concept provided excellent front-to-rear weight distribution when pulling an implement! I would buy one of these tractors if they were still built!

 

[Proto]

I have been fortunate enough to have run a couple of 4-150s and I must say that they are not a bad tractor but they do have some flaws. The 3208 Kitty Cat should never have left the factory, I know several guys who have swapped them out (after they blew up of course) for something that can actually lug, i.e. Cummins. The center pivot bearings are less than a joy to replace too, but I hear that most articulated tractors are that way. I've never had the chance to run a 4-270 but it sounds like they are built quite a bit heavier than the 150s. Either way, those old whites are still a heck of a tractor. Proto

 

[allen]

the reason agco went back to the MF design was because it sold better and was a much better built 4wd u could not do anything to them we have a 4840 that has 5000 hours and has had nothing done to it period bet a white sure has had stuff done to it. a joy to ride and drive in would be the mf heck in the mf i can get 6 of my friends into the cab easy. the white 4wd model would not sell like hot cakes yeah right when it is made lighter and cheaper u gonna have problmes, but the massey was built like the stiegers and versatiles heavy. i bet mf and has sold more 4wds white and ac if not i bet m.f. is beating them both individually. allen

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

Do your research (and try using some puncuation, your lengthy sentences are hard to read)! The 4WD Whites were out of production "long" before AGCO ever became involved with White. I believe it was Allied Products who discontinued production. My neighbor had a 4800 Massey, and ran almost 7,000 hours on it before dealing. It was definitely a good unit, but I liked the low profile design of the White. With 20.8 tires (not loaded),soil compaction was never a problem, yet it had great pulling capacity for a 150 horsepower tractor. Yes, the cabs were a little small, but we seldom carried passengers anyway! The CAT engines did well for us, but I heard of some farmers having problems with them. I would still buy one of these tractors today, if they were still built!

 

[AlanE]

Hey allen,I've got one (4-150 white)putting some tires on it next monday,you wanta play let's make a deal.

 

[Farmer_Ed]

I have driven and rode in about every 4 wheeler_track tractor out there and Massey was about the clumsiest ugliest tractor in my book. We have a 255 MF and it's an okay tractor. One of our White 4-210's has 9,285 hours on it. There are several in our area with 6000-8000 hours on them. Don't tell me they can't put the hours on! The other 4-210 has 2700 hours on it and that's a red stripe. The 4-150 has over 5,000 hours on it and we use it to spray the ground to this day. These tractors are plenty heavy enough to get the job done (especially when they went to planetary gears on the later ones)but the nicest part is they are light enough not to compact the ground. Our neigbor has an old goofy MF 4-wheelers and you can see every track they make the rest of the season! Plus he's putting a clutch in every 2 years. I never had any problems with the 3208, it's powerful and fires right up when it's below freezing. You have to watch for electolysis on these motors is all and make sure the hoses are tight. I've never had a lack of power with them. Obviously people that talk bad about these tractors didn't have much experience with them. The cab is a little smaller, but how many people are supposed to be ridingIJ 1. I did manage to take off the left armrest for the girlfriend though. ;-) You can shim up the mid-section in the later whites, the 4-150 you have to put new parts into it. They are easy to check for play though. You can get these tractors down to straddle 28" rows. Try that with your Massey. Also no goofy "drop boxes", the engine, tranny, and rear end are all lined up. 3 point and pto also nice. ViewIJ Sit in one once and you'll throw your MF away. Once again, I don't have any problems with other brands but before you cut something down, know what you are talking about!!! There is nothing "bulky or ugly on the Whites." My buddy has a IH and that thing is big, ugly, and clumsy. lights are placed nicely on the white, glass is easy to see through and view everything, levers are in a nice place, easy controls and viewing gauges, easy to work on, parts are still available, and they are by far the best big 4-wheel drive at that time and would be today if they come out with them again, instead of that ugly MF 4 wheel drive that (hardly any sold) I personally haven't seen one on a farm!

 

[allen]

yeah right i'll keep the massey it is still chugging along, why in the heck would i want to trade for a white anywayIJ allen

 

[allen]

well farmer ed i ain't saw no white 4wds around here but let me tell ya there was quite a few masseys around here and still is 4 of the 4000 series and one 5200. I ain't talking bout the 1800 MF's i am talking about the 4000 series and the 5200 series. U know i can never tell where we run our 4wd through our field! Could be a little bit of the operators problems in the clutch not all machine have not put in one yet into ours. why in the heck would u want to go down corn rows with a 4wd tractor any way. if u are cultivating corn with it, that is just a waste of power that is what they have smaller tractors for that creats less compaction on the corn rows. well u can get a pto or a 3 point hitch on the massey. the engine, tranny, and rear end are all lined up on ours too. view i can see easily out of ours my friends that have drove it say the same compared to something of that time. lights are placed nicely on ours too and all the gauges work, levers are in good places. on the easy to work on wouldn't know ain't had to work on it but sure sounds like u have had too! just the routien maintence to ours and it sure is easy. man can still get parts for ours too. ha ha the best big 4wd at that time i'd much rather run a stieger that a white least i wouldn't have to run across the state to get parts for it. they would be the best if they came out today hate to tell ya but who on earth woudl go from a new holland, stieger, or deere to a whiteIJ not very many! take a look at the 4wd that u running u calling mine ugly that laugh. well look at the facts when the 4000 sereis MF came out they were in the top 4 along with deere, stieger and another brand in the leaders in 4wd sales and guess who was at the bottom ...... White and A.C. Well that must show something there that M.F. was popular but it don't show white being popular though. allen