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tbran

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Been there. You will need 3 to 5 concave filler strips, GOOD helicals, a small seeds kit for air control, and a clover finishing screen. The concave will have to be lEVEl! The book is about right on the rest off the settings. Seed like quality will result.
 

R_O_M

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A question for Tbran! When harvesting aerial seeded clovers, ie Persian clover, is it neccessary to install the small seeds kit flow baffle in the upper fan ductIJ Both parts of the AGCO kit look like they are a pain in the a--e to install. I made our own fan sieve duct perforated baffle with a square pivot rod. The baffle could be slipped thru one of the oval shaped air gap inspection holes in the side frame which we extended a inch or so longer, then down thru the air gap in the lower fan sieve duct and the square pivot rod was then slid thru the pivot holes in the frame and thru the baffle pivot holes. The bottom baffle took about 5 minutes to install or take out. leaving this baffle in and folded up as reccommended for harvesting other crops gave us a lot of very fine chaff and dust in the sample, so it was very quickly removed . We never installed the upper fan duct baffle. It looked too hard. I just wish we would have had the info on setting up the thresher and separator now available from this site before we ever tried to harvest that semi green, leather like stuff! It would have saved us a lot of grief! Just for info, our pasture clovers in OZ are either subterranean clovers or Medics. The "subs" bury their seed pods just under the soil surface. The other dry area or semi desert type, called Medic [ from "Medicago" ] drops it's seed pods on the ground when ripe. With the subs we harrow or very shallow cultivate to bring the seed pods to the surface. We then use a specialised vacumn harvester, usually 4 to 7 feet wide, to suck the pods of both the subs and the medics off the ground which are then threshed and the seed rough cleaned by the harvester. Vast quantities of dust and dirt and time are involved. There was one of these machines sitting forlornly in the field plot area at Montana State Uni in Bozeman when I was thru there in 1990. Apologies for the lecture! Cheers.
 

tbran

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I am not sure about your clovers. In our area the upper air and lower is necessary. Takes about 4 hours to put in the first one, three the second :). The instructions are pretty straightforward. One can drill out the upper air duct pop rivets. It is easy and scares most . Another trick is have an air choke extention rolled to match the fan radius and bolt it to the choke. The outter edge must be a 90 degree fold for strength. leave only an approx small 4 " opening to let air in but this is from memory. When this is done there MUST BE a stop bolt for the extention placed in each side of the combine wall. Otherwise the choke will be sucked into the fan . Trust me on this one. It ain't pretty. The reason for the baffles is the ability to adjust upper vs. lower air volume. Choking the air too much causes what someone in the know told me was 'vortexing' or swirling of air that leaves pockets of no air flow.
 

NDDan

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I played some with blocking off air intake on the very very light grasses. I installed a piece of flatbar 6" by the width of fan down against bottom of fan intake. I had about 2" opening with choke shut right off. It worked for basically shuting air right off to top duct in fact I believe top duct suched backwards a bit even with choke open aways. If I was to play with that some more I would extend choke like Tim suggests. The beauty of choking the intake (if you get it right) is you have no chance of plugging duct dampers. I try get my grass guys to just slam duct dampers open and closed from time to time. I think the best things we ever did for grass is rotor sweeps and sloped grain pan in front of chaffer. I have found no disadvantage in other crops with them mods. Good luck
 

R_O_M

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Thanks Tim and Dan. As usual you had me banging hand against forehead! Why didn't I think of that! The cross flow or transverse flow fans are interesting animals. With the old paddle fan, completely blocking the flow just leaves them churning air in the fan box. Completely blocking the out flow from a cross flow fan leads to a very very rapid pressure rise until you run out of HP or there is a catastrophic failure of the fan. Hence the air gap in the sieve duct which acts as a relief valve if the outlet ducts get blocked. Unlike the average paddle fan, the crossflow fans as used in the Gleaners must be very accurately set-up to function correctly as AGCO emphasises in their manuals. Which leads to this story; Massey's designed a cross flow fan for one of the last of their Oz built combine models. Great treasure was expended to get it right and very accurately jigged on the production line. Even greater treasure was expended when the fan proved a total disaster in the field. Nobody could find an explanation for the disaster as the prototypes had worked perfectly. Finally some body wandered down to the last stop on the production line, the paint shop. Some very irate paint shop guys complained bitterly that they had to take those d---n fans apart to paint them and then they had to put them back together! Why didn't they just send the bits down to the paint shop before they put them together and save them the job of dismantling them! Cheers
 
 
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