Combines same here

I never liked cylinder machines, and this Cat proves to myself why I felt like that. Having three of them is part of the problem. The 2 rotors for separating is crude. Until the last year you had like 3 speeds to chose from. Those are only part of the problems. They are just a poor machine in my opinion. And that is from experience, not just running my mouth.

I never heard anybody complain about a 450. May I read the details pleaseIJ

It is more of a complaint towards the company than the machine. We have had grain quality problems for two seasons and after several complaints to Omaha, all we received were false promises to find the problem and a smaller bank account due to lost premiums. Here we are in the third year and still no answers! What a shame for a company trying to make its north american mark.

Thats because a cylinder machine creates more damage. I'll even admit, I wouldn't want a New Holland CX machine because its a cylinder. They just are harder on grain period. The CR and TR twin rotors are simple to set and forgiving. they are very good on grain as well. WHy do you think a lot of the guys raising barley for Coors or Bud use TR's. Because quality is a must.

I saw your first post on SF's mach. talk, you didn't explain your troubles on that web site either. I hope you do a better job explaining your problems to your dealer than you have here.

cat driver you still did not say what you were having problems with if you would post them there are people out here that may can help you.

I have done a very good job explaining to them over and over and over; it gets kind of old after a while. Once again, it is a problem of grain quality on popcorn and is more of a problem of lack of support for two years to try and correct it. Claas promotes grain quality as a selling point and we have not seen this after several attempts of our dealer to correct it. They then went to Claas for help and it has taken this long to even get a response. Claas has now admitted that they had some internal problems that contributed to this but have yet to step up and take any responsiblity. I generally get stuck taking responsiblity for my problems.

The first problem I would try to fix would be to shut off the returns auger so that no popcorn has the opportunity to be rethreshed. This can be done by sliding the cover for the returns auger over its opening (access via sieve area...might even try taking bottom sieve out for popcorn). Secondly, I would check to see if the concaves are parallel. As with any conventional combine: Deere, Cat, New Holland, the owners manual details the annual owner's inspection and adjustment procedures to ensure parallel concaves and linkage. If one side of the concave is riding higher than the other, especially the right hand side without the position sensor, you might be running too tight and causing some potential damage. The disawning plates should be open at all times in corn. Cleaning fan should be running 1400-1500 RPM. Theshing cylinder below 225 RPM and concave gap dependent on the size of ear_cob combo. The lexions are known for grain quality. And always remember to run the machine full! I don't know howm many times I have had to impress upon an operator that if the machine isn't running full at all times with only a third or less auger trough of returns, the combine will do a less than avg. job, both quality and loss! Combines are so dependent upon running at 90% of the engine in ideal conditions to ensure a full machine or else. A slight increase in ground speed can mean all the difference in premium, loss, etc. Operating a combine in a conservative manner will not achieve its greates opportunity for its return on inventment! Try some of those settings and adjustments, too bad you have to wait until this fall. I think I would spend more time consulting with the dealer, no matter the situation, than barking on here. Too many repeat posters on here to make much of a difference, they just like to complain rather than resolve.

Thanks for finally droping the key word. If you don't explain it to us, we can't help. Besides what Coors light already wrote, I think you need to get a wire concave in your combine. From our experience and from talking to other people all over the world, the lack of a wire concave in the Claas combines is a key issue. We are going to try them, too this year.

Robert, I have to argue that a little. A few years ago, I too had people telling me, that I needed a rotor to do a quality job in Durum. I ran 9610s that year and I proved them different. The only real gentle thresher would be the Birotor because it doesn't have any threshing elements or bars anywhere. It also doesn't have any augers for the grain handling, besides the fountain auger in the bin. Augers do a lot of damage to grain. As far as I know, NH was the first one in America to run without the shoe augers.