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[brad_c]

Can't help you one bit but i'm in the same boat. New, to us, R50 sitting in the shop and I'm chompin' at the bit to tear that thing apart and see what I can do to her.

 

[Rolf]

G'Day Twin Silvers!!!!!!! Only help I can give is small grain related but as most of it come from this site as you know, it will still work!!!!! Third helical is compulsory!!!!!!!, extra helical on discharge end of cage, good Acc rollers, and all forward rasp bars!! you could get some black ones for the first couple of years just so you can fine tune the set up you want, and that would be the cheapest way to play with it. Hump kit if you want, and top chaffer third adjustment! That would be my start with new machine! Hope you have some fun with it! (lucky bugger!!!) Rolf

 

[silverluv]

Rolf, how does the third adjustment on the top chaffer help can you do this with the long shoe machines. Having trouble picturing it in my head.

 

[Rolf]

G'Day silverluv I think the boy's over in Hyper Mod's has a good explanation of how the third adjustment is made!!! All I can tell you that you make the first 6 to 8 rows adjustable so you can open them up in good crops for more capacity or close it down in light ones but still be able to get a excellent sample! If you think about it! if you have the combine with a gut full of grain, the chaffer would most likely have a heap of grain on the grain tray!!! now if you could get rid of 50 % of that before it gets towards the back of the chaffer and still have it making a clean sample and no grain loss everybody's happy!!!! same go's for light crops you can close it down to help with more wind out of the accl rollers or the bottom sieve which can help a lot in fine tuning the sample!!!! Hope that explains it some whatIJ Rolf

 

[Brian]

We've hyperized our '94 R-72 per this web-site. Has worked well...however, we have gone back to orginal cylinder bar set-up, left all other mods alone. This is for corn and soybeans. Pretty cheap to take out flow divider and add a little piece of helical over the feeder house opening. Same goes for adding helicals into discharge area. You shouldn't need to do anything to concave or sep. grate on that new of a machine. Good luck

 

[silverluv]

I checked in on the Hyper mods and it looks like this had been done on the short shoes. Both of ours have the long shoe and was wondering if I would benifit from it. I think the first four or six are already closed a little bit more than the middle on the long shoe version. I think that was an update in late 96. Thanks for the info on overloading Rolf.

 

[Dan]

Yea thats about how it went. The '96ish machines (first year with long shoe) didn't get the chaffer updated so first few louvers would close quicker than the rest but they did have us go in and block off first opening of chaffer and speed up fan. They must of thought there wasn't enough air at front of chaffer to lift heavy material coming off grain pan. There is like a air dam that was installed just ahead of chaffer blocking off some air that was never on the short shoe systems. Some guys removed them and I just bent mine to run parralel with chaffer. I never have experienced any shoe problems with long shoe so haven't made front few louvers adjustable individially. Anyway it sure wouldn't hurt to have separate lever if it doesn't confuse the operator to much.

 

[Dan]

Need to question you Brian on original cylinder bar setup. Any machine prior to I believe '00 may not have extended cylinder bars to discharge. Bars that are not extended to discharge can kill a machine as bad as a bunch of reverse bars and I strongly doubt you went back to original there. I need to bring that to your attention for I would hate for anyone to skip that step when hyperizing older machines for it would be number one or two along with feeder shocks. Every year lately some machines have come into our area bone stock and I feel so sorry for previous owner operator. You maybe should explane how far back you went with cylinder and how far you had gone. I believe your corn soybean onlyIJ Did you go with 2-4-6-8 half height bars and or reverse bars. Did you try running no more than one reverse bar spinning in any one locationIJ You would of had complete low narrow wire concave and grate. Did you remove every other wire and or convert seperator grate per hyperIJ Any stationary rasp bar if you were having cylinder lossIJ Do you still have R60 and did it have the P1 with high low seperator bar setupIJ Sorry about all the questions but don't want to discourage anyone from doing some very important upgrading.

 

[Dan]

I believe your are mainly corn soybean. Count your reverse cylinder bars to see how many are in there. There is no less than two and maybe four if it hasn't been monkeyed with. Just two reverse bars spinning in same location can choke machine greatly with little or no help as far as crop loss. Some will just remove reverse and leave out and others make up some half height forward bars to put in there place. Install nesesary bolts back into place and watch for wear on backup bar if you leave them out. Removing and replace bars can be done by folding concave back over thresher area or remove cage door for seperator side and both can be done very easily. I won't let machine off my lot without 3rd helical extended over feeder. I've been making up these and sending all over the country. I've been exchanging your crop flow director my new made up one for $75 exchange. These can be installed without removing cylinder from grain bin side. Just remove original flow director (may need to heat up around countersunk bolts that hold it in to prevent striping out allen head area) and loosely install new assembly to eyeball and drill a hole in cage to help hold assemble in then tighten it all up. Them two things are the must do hyper things on a new machine. What does your dealer have against these thingsIJ I would assume machine has high wide wire concave and grates if your dealer says its good the way it is. I understand why dealer is afraid to try something that he may have to undo when he is in busiest season. I was afraid too for many years but if I didn't become unafraid we would likely still not have feeder shocks or extended cylinder bars but then wouldn't have to worry about selling any more machines either. Actually who nows what or when Gleaner would of done anything with feeder for maybe streamlining a bit would of eliminated need for shocks and maybe they would of come with angled paddle or something like that to get straw to flow all the way to discharge. Good news is your machine is pretty darn close just the way it is. Anyway good luck and be sure to keep us posted if we can help out.

 

[Brian]

Defiantly agree that I wouldnt want to discourage any upgrades! We hyperd our 94 R-72 all the waydidnt skip a step. We ran it that way for a couple of seasons but had trouble with rotor loss in cornusually around 3_4 bpa. We tried lots of different things over a couple of seasons and finally ended up with taking all 8 of the low bars out and installing 4 reversers and 4 high forwards just like stock. And yes we left in all the extended cylinder bars and other modificationsthings like every other rod pulled in the sep. grate and concave, trip bar on bottom of sep. grate, helicals into discharge area, and helical over feeder opening. Rotor loss is much better nowthe most Ive ever found was 1_6 bpa. We run an 8 row Hugger and 830 flex and so far havent seen a negative horsepower response by going back to reversersstill plenty of power even at low cylinder rpms. Yes we have P1 R-60 with hi-lo set up. Also has sep. grate with F2 bars. It has harvested very little corn so I cant say too much about it. Works fine in soybeans. The modifications on this machine literally doubled its capacity in both crops cant believe the difference.