Combines WHAT ABOUT THE CTS IN RICE IJ

[Rod]

I've followed your postings and responses from the NH site through to the JD site and are not suprised by the comments - both fact and fiction. Here in the Riverina area of NSW (Australia) rice is a major component of most machines life. We grow both long and medium grain varieties. Yield range from 7.5t_ha (fragrant lG) to 13.5t_ha (medium grain) and it can be standing nicely to flat and wet on the ground. Any machine can harvest rice when it's standing. When it's flat on the ground and wet, that's when the differance in machines is highlighted and the differance in operators is significant. NH had the market nearly all by themselves some years ago with the 8000 series machines. JD was vertually no competition with the 7700's through to the 8820's (walker loss) Case didn't have an answer until the first type of spec. rice rotor came out on the 1480 equiped with a Sweco draper front, Class and Mssey had little backup or resale value. Then NH bought out the TX. All the good work they had done with the 8000 series went out the door in 1 or 2 years. Case did a lot more work with the new spec. rotor and 1680 through to the 2388 and have a pretty reliable machine in rice that can handle adverse conditions with a good operator and CARE. JD with the CTS eventually stole the market. They are a very good machine in all conditions (when set correctly) and really shine in the toughest of conditions. let me say that no machines likes flat wet rice harvestings conditions but the CTS will do it. Grain quality out of a conventional or rotory is of little differance if the machines are set correctly and the crop is of like conditions. CTS has had a few wear problems in small areas of the machine but not of great signifigance. The 50 series have had some differant problems which JD are addressing now! The CX machines that NH has brought out look a very solid well built machine and should get NH back into the rice and major crop market. If the CR and the eventual CIH single rotor is put into the same frame as the CX as proposed, I feel NH will have a product line that will be hard to match. Other machinery companies (how many are there leftIJIJ) should look at resisting to rest on their collective lorals just because of traditional customer_buyer loyalties. As to your question of rotories versus conventional, it's really pick the machine that suits the majority of you harvesting conditions. Rotories need to go a lot further down the road of success in rice (and tough harvesting conditions) before they can claim to be a really versatile all purpose machine. Rotories tend to be much higher wearing machines but have (usually) many less moving parts. I've had both and I know how many times I've had my hands in the toolbox with a rotory compared to a CTS. let us see what the CX holds up to in this coming rice season. It looks a good machine - time in the paddock will tell.

 

[FRENCH_RICE_MAN]

I really appreciate your lesson and experience trough your message but i still think the TX should be better considered. I understood you was now in favor of the CTS and your yields are superior than ours which here don't pass 11 t_ha MAX(you are speaking in METRIC TON i hope.) but i guess you don't grow wheat because the CTS ISN T SO GOOD ON IT the straw is ruined and the kernels not all the time keep safe. Anyway i am agree than the CTS is a pretty good combine in RICE better than anyothers else but i still not understand why she had a bad resale value here (except the fact than rice is growing on 22 000 ha in France )and why you need to work on it after 2 seasons it s why i accused it to be fragile.Your not in my opinion SO maybe your lucky or my neighbour unlucky.....I know than now he is pist off and he will buy the new CX . I really appreciate and i am agree with you about the 8820 JD but it was a stong combine with bad performance the opposite of the CTS.... What about AUSTAlIA and rice , how many rice farmers , ha , and ha by farmerIJ Your fields are they big IJ Do you grow other crops IJ I ve seen your are talking in ha and ton instead of acres and bushel so we are closer than we look.... Here in farming we just know Australia for the wine which is coming and irritate us because we grow wine also and the market is all for you for 2 years now and still increasing. I didn't gave you my e mail cause i have some problem with it.

 

[Rod]

Yes, Australia is all metric and it's a much simpler system than imperial! We use the CTS in all crops - a grain machine is a more versatile machine than a rice machine. They do an excellent job when set-up correctly and, like any other machine, it's the person behind the steering wheel that makes the differance between machines. Australia grows about 160-180,000 ha of rice, producing around 1.2 to 1.9m tonne - depending on the weather. We also produce excellent quality wine which the majority is exported - much to the annoyance of some traditional wine producing countries. We also import many grape harvesters including Gregoire - so I guess the ledger is in some sort of equalibrium!! Yes, Australia like many other countries in the world, is faced with countries who extol the vertues of "free trade" themselves when they actually practice a form of "fortress" trade policy, blinkered by ignorance of the outside world! The nett result of all this is nearly all farmers worldwide are going backwards into the mire of fuedalistic peasantry. As I have previously stated, farmers are farmers wordwide and you are more than welcome to come over to Aus. to see how we "scratch out" a living.

 

[FRENCH_RICE_MAN]

I ve seen, you know about Gregoire the French brand which export or maybe built ovethere their grape harvester, unfortunately we have a BRAUD which is NH group (SB 64) instead of giving our money to a french group... Free trade is extol by my country also and i understood what you are talking about and which country you aimed , but we are dependant now and they are better than us in politic . Here the situation is hard also and got harder with the Europe and the EAST COUNTRIES which are hungrier than us. Farmer prefered the past but it s the way of our future to do EUROPE and maybe you should do the same with NEW ZEAlAND for an economic view.... Anyway our gain are fewer and fewer and duty more and more important. THEY PAID US betwen 0.27 and 0.34 US DOllAR BY KIlO OF OUR RICE AND GIVE 330 US DOllARS BY HA, as a bonus any yield you do. IN the past no bonus and a good real price wa given till 0.5. HOW YOU SEll YOUR RICE IJ WHO BUY IT IJ WHAT PRICE IJ HOW MANY KG_HA ARE YOU SEEDING IJ us near 200 220 kg_ha DO you have a national or area website i can visit to learn about your farming IJIJIJIJ YOU CAN SEE OUR TX 66 AND TRACTOR FERTIlISING RICE ON FARMPHOTO.COM IN the second and third pages most voted section.

 

[Rod]

If I understand you correctly, you were, or are paid, .27-.34 $US_kg and a bonus-subsidy of $US330_ha. In Australia there is no subsidy paid to growers for anything. Our rice and all other products is sold on the world and domestic market at market price. That price is often well distorted by all manner of governments sudsidising the actual product grown as well the marketing of that product. All that does if give a very false account of the real world price of a commodity and keeps the producers in that country isolated and ignorant of the real worlds supply and demand ratio. To give you an idea of the low price of rice we are looking at this season because of dumping large quantities of heavily subsidised rice on the market. Between $US 0.09 to $US 0.11 _kg. There is absolutely no $_ha subsidy to grow any product. Seeding rate is approx. 150kg_ha. You should have a look at this site for a little veiw of the rice industry http:__www.ricegrowers.com.au_

 

[FRENCH_RICE_MAN]

I took a look on the website you gave me and actually i am still studying it and the links... But i have an other question for you about the price of 1 ha ovethere and if you have to pay tax on it. Here it s 6800 us dollars for 1 ha with water and you have to pay 50 us dollars a year by ha to the government.FRANCE IS THE KING OF TAX AND PlENTY PEOPlE GO OUT BUYING STUFF ..

 

[Rod]

land price for rice country is around $US1100_ha, then you have a "water entitlement" which you pay for and a usage of water fee about $US15_megalitre total. Usage is a around 12 megs_ha for rice. We don't have direct land tax as such (on agricultural land) but there are other taxes (both direct and indirect) imposed on all sorts of other products and services - it probably adds up to the same thing at any rate.

 

[FRENCH_RICE_MAN]

THANKS FOR All AND I WIll lEARN ABOUT AUSTRAlIA NOW AND MAYBE CAll YOU AFTER FOR SOME OTHERS QUESTIONS YOU CAN DO THE SAME IF YOU WANT. TAlK YOU lATER ROD.and don t forget french wine is the best from everywhere it could come...!!!! (I m joking)