lets start at the top.Skinneyfarmer and Kidroff,I know for a fact that you are both exceptionally good operators of machinery and very careful.How do I know this you askIJ Because 25yrs ago I was the same age as you are now (I guess that you are around 18-20yrs)and also thought that Iwas the best operator.In 25yrs time you may or may not look back and think the same. I have no problems with that age operating machinery,90% are capable at that age of driving any where with machinery.But you have missed the point of my first post. I stated then that children as young as 13-14 should not be driving large machinery on the open road,and I still stand by that statment.I used to come home from school just like the rest of you and drive the tractor if need be,but driving the plow around the paddock is a bit different to driving down the road at 15 mph.I am a 4th gen farmer( for those of you who think I should try it)and I have 2 kids of my own. My kids are 9-13 and they can both drive any thing on our farm,but I still supervise them when they do.I would NEVER let them take machinery on the road.There are 2 reasons for this. If heaven forbid there was a accident how do you think I would feel,knowing that I let my children drive that equipment on the road,and even worse, what if there was a death.Where I come from the legal age to drive on the road is 17yrs,so you can imagine the legal consequence. Now if this makes me a lesser parent for not exposing my kids to "the dangers of life" then so be it,cause thats the way it is here. Useing your theory then an airline pilots child could fly a light charter plane at say 8-9yrs old and take a 747, with 400 people on board ,to Europe at 14,of course this is not practical,but the theory is the same. This has been a great subject,although it seems that most of the replies have come from the younger group.I would have thought that I might have had more support here from the older group. I'm not picking on the younger farmer at all,we need them all. If being a somewhat careful parent makes me an island,I'll live with that. I rest my case and await further replies.Thank you.