Combines where is the simplicity in 9790

[corn_king]

Tell us about the 8010 CASEIH I would like to know,thanks.

 

[Harvester]

I hope you're not inferring that Case's future (not production yet) 8010 is simple. Far from it. The 9790 gets its simplicity from having very few drives period. The clean grain elevator is driven from the top and adjusted at the top. The variable speed header drive is not there, but talking with company reps at the shows this fall, it is a feature that is coming. CaseIH does not have it yet either, and the 8010 won't go into full production until 2004, if at all. Right now, I understand it is being delayed because of reliability conflicts between the NH and Case people. NH thinks it is reliable enough, but the Case people tell me it isn't even close to where they would like to see it to replace the solid 2300 series combines. The cleaning fan is out in the open, like a Case. Not aware they have serious problems in heavy corn trash. The long chain driving the feeder house on the left side I would expect to see disappear with the variable speed system coming in the future. It still has about 1_2 the number of chains, belts, and gearboxes as other combines on the market, and has no equal in simplicity. Granted, Gleaner has more drives, but most are very accessible and the machine layout is convenient for service and access. An axial rotor configuration limits the accessibility on machines of this type. The bigger these machines get, the more difficult they will be to clean. Nature of the beast. There are several things that are difficult with Case's 2300 series and Deere's rotary. Changing rotor belts is certainly one that comes to mind. Not so on the MF. I disagree that this new machine comes in last, as you say, among new models. Its performance in most conditions is unrivaled by any other rotary and all but the biggest conventionals in tough going. It is simple and is built for endurance. Working on combines, I can tell you that the MF is the least costly to keep running_rebuild through 1,2,3,4, or 5 thousand hours of use, by a huge margin. Short of the variable speed feeder drive (which is coming),I was impressed with the 9790 and believe it is a first-rate machine compared to what green and the other red has.

 

[Silver_Shoes]

Well this is how I see it. We run Gleaner rotors and they are awfully simple, actually really like them alot. I have been reading these boards for quite some time and actually know nothing about the Massey's except what I have read on here, service brochures, and service persons opinions. To tell the truth about it, Im very impressed by the things I see on the machine and also very impressed by personal experiences of others of these machines. I grow food grade and GMO corn and the Gleaner is great for me cause I can completely clean the inside and out in approximately 45 minutes. I would love to find a second combine for when we get in beans and honestly I like diversity. I think the Massey from what I have heard will help me with timely harvesting in soybeans because of yes, their simplicity and small number of moving parts on the machine. I think they are a well built machine that like all will be improved in the future, but too many guys out there have positive things to say about them to let one persons opinion sway all the others. BTW Did you happen to notice some things on the new IH, like getting rid of the elephant ears for the spiral design that massey has on their rotor and removing the distribution auger and implementing a grain pan just like the Masseys. Seems that this Massey has some things the competition likes, including deere and IH. Unlike the STS it doesnt take 12 hrs to pull the rotor and most all the combine manufactures seem to believe you need a feed accelerator (beater) except IH. Now I know a few ppl who have complained about plugging elephant ears in corn and honestly its never been done in our Gleaner rotor and I am assuming the feed beater will help the other brands, which is probably why Cat and Deere have taken to MF idea. lets be a lil serious about things now, all these machines out there have good points and bad points, If you are so sold on your machine that you run then your really shouldnt even have to voice an opinion except positives about your machine, like I said I like diversity and I think its great we have an opportunity for different ideas (which is narrowing down with mergers and such) Please dont be quite so crude on others machinces, I understand you see somethings that might be less desireable to you, but lets give Massey the shadow of a doubt, which pervious owners seem to definately have confidence in them I know it looks nice to see 4 Gleaner 72's gleaning across a field but I think it would look great to have a few other colors along side of our Silver Streaker and right now I really like the lIGHT WEIGHT Masseys. I heard the 8010 is quite the heavy weight and know the NH is cause I have the brochures. 34,000 pds for their smallest machine hmmmmmm wonder if one of those nylon strechty rode could help that one out of a mud hole. Happily Holidays Too All :0)

 

[turbo]

The combine I looked at (a 9790) had a bottom driven clean grain elevator. Not good for a high capacity machine. May be this is the only one like it. look at page 365-2 in the product information guide. Shows a bottom driven elevator.

 

[turbo]

I am always looking for something better than my machine (a Gleaner R-62). It is not perfect. I was voicing my opinion on what I saw. I beleive some of these Massey guys look at these things with blinders on. I like to hear other opinions thats why I stated mine. Just seeing if anyone else looks at it the same way.

 

[Big_Green]

Is it not like the 8780sIJ I have heard they are very good machines. If the 8780 is easier to work on than the 510s they would probley be my 2nd choice behind Deere. I think case is a decent combine also. I have heard some of the early 2188s had some problems but i dunno. I just figgured the 9790 was a bigger version of the 8780xp.

 

[Silver_Shoes]

Turbo, sorry never ment to cut you down or anything close to it. I am just replying to this site with what I have knowledge of from ppl talking about their machines. I must agree that the bottom driven chain would seem a lil iffy (if that what they have, havent checked it out yet) Maybe it has to do with the pattern things are driven on the machine, but it seems the resistance on the chain would be alot more than to drive it from the top, like the Gleaner although we adjust ours quite regular also. Its funny I have toured the new Hesston plant and in the show room they have an old gleaner combine with a pneumatic grain tank unloader, Seems like a futuristic idea from the past. We use a vac quite often for our flat storage building. After grain comes through the vacuvator it almost shines it so clean, just wondering if anyone has tried that with grain elevators in combines instead of paddles. Well Im just rambling so happy holidays once again.

 

[hv_user]

The feed house is not driven by a chain ,it is BElT drive. The chain that you speak of is the header reverser.Before you say too much about this combine you need to spend some time with it.These machines are SIMPlE,RElIABlE and have lots of capacity. Massey 8780 owner

 

[turbo]

Have you seen a 9790IJ Maybe they are different. It sure looked to me like the over 10 ft. long chain ran the feeder house from the left side and according to product info guide it is chain driven. Page 365-2. Yes it had the reverser on it but the chain went from the front header drive jackshaft back to the feeder house drive shaft. There is a belt on right side that brings the power from the beater down to the header drive jackshaft.Is yours like thisIJ How many hours a year do you put on your combineIJ

 

[hv_user]

Yes I have seen a 9790 first hand, they are like 8780. They are 11 inches wider,new fan,new cab,new rotor, more power.That chain is almost 15 feet long and does not drive the feed house on the 9690,9790 or the 8780. I put 300 hours a year on my 8780. onion farmer