Combines will 850 keep up in corn with 9500IJ

[kidroff]

I know a John Deere corn head will take in corn faster than a Massey will, but other than that I'm not sure.

 

[zig]

John Deere brought out a 9500 for my dad and brother to run about 10 years ago. they were not impressed with it. The Deere had a dirtier grain sample. It didn't run any faster threw the field, and it was easier to get stuck. It was a wet fall and the 850 was following the 9500 down the field. The Deere went down, so it backed out of the wet area, then my dad went right by the ruts with the Massey without any problems. He then backed up and went in the Deere's tracks and kept going. The Deere salesman told them that they needed a four wheel drive machine. We have never had a 4 wheel drive in that field ever. I ran our gray cab 750 up against my neighbors 9500 and didn't ever see an advantage of having GREEN.

 

[Deerebines]

My old man's 860 is competitive to my 9600. Where you will see the difference between machines is in downtime and ease of working on it. Massey had thier head clear up thier rear-end when they designed that combine for a tech to work on it. Deere has it's moments too I kid you not but it's alot more simpler to work on. Original investment is going to be alot more on the deere as well over the massey and I'm hesitant to believe that there will be that much greater return on a maximizer in the future as many of them are out there. Another thing......seems massey parts are much higher than the green. There's some thoughts for you to chew on for awhile............Take care

 

[greenstrat]

thanks, rich. A good freind has just bought a used 2200 hour 850 and it looks like a nightmare to work on compared to my little 6620. The maximizers also look tougher to work on than my old machine too, unless your real tall.. The reason I ask, is some day I will have to look toward updating to a newer machine and am really looking all around. Thank you for your reply, and have a safe harvest. GS

 

[Deerebines]

You are not kidding about having to be taller. I'm 6'3" and I easily could grease my 6620 and my college buddy's 8820 from the ground. With 30.5-32 drive tires on my 9600 I have to jump up on the tire to grease the variable speed for the cylinder on the right side......and I had one guy tell me these 32's are "small" tires....He of course runs the terra's for flotation. Now......One little misconception I want to clear for you between the titans and the maximizer series. Same machine....Same workings.....The theory never changed. Only thing changed is the cosmetics and possibly some small designs in the process but for the most part it is all the same. Most all functions are electric over hydralic now and the cab is much much more operator freindly and causes less fatigue from a days work vs that titan series. As for ease of working.....I do think the maximizers are easier than the titans........The 9600 I can open up both gull wings and access either side of the machine plus the engine in the rear you have complete access to the right side and you can pull a shield off inside the grain tank to access the left side of the engine fully. Just remember though.....and this is my thoughts only with just firm feelings....that once you buy a maximizer it's going to be a little like the 50 and 60 series massey's.......Return value is going to be small because of the vast availability. These darn ag companies......All of them.......They need to halt combine production for the next 3 years to clean up the surplus. That, or limit thier manufacturing.....With these lease programs I think they are cutting their own throats....We over-produce and we get price supports from the gov't so we can pay input costs......If Deere, Agco, CNH, and Cat thinks they are going to get gov't subsidy thier nuts!! One of these days it's going to get them....you watch.

 

[greenstrat]

Thanks for your reply!! Interesting, I have looked at a lot of "maximizers" in the local deere hospital next to mine and every time I do I come away thinking that I really don't like what I see enough to get excited over it. listening to your words make me feel better about it. Deere has built so many of them I think I could get one worth the money now.. GS

 

[Goober]

To answer your question, which no one has addressed yet, the answer is NEVER (in corn). I am a Massey man, run a 83 MF 850 and have been courted by many Deere dealers to trade on a 9500, but I do mostly small grains and soys, no corn and as long as my situtation stays this way, I will never buy the 9500. My 850 will out do a 9500 in wheat when we run comparable walker loss. A 9500 could get the wheat through and threshed quicker, but they can't separate it and keep it from going over the walkers.In soys I do think the 9500 may have more capacity, but I can do 6 acres an hour in 50 bushel beans which is very acceptable I feel. But in corn I believe the 9500 could do at least half again as much as the 850. The Massey isn't built heavy enough for pushing hard in corn. If you are patient, they will do fine and give you an incredibly clean sample. The local elevator can tell whos corn it is by the sample, the two cleanest samples they get are from Masseys, a 850 and a 8450. As far as working on them I would take my 850 over any John Deere 6620 or 9000 series. Just try to change the unloader auger drive belt on the 6620 versus the 850. I watched a farmer take an hour on his 6620. I can change mine in less than 5 minutes. It probably comes down to what you are used to working on but I love my 850. And it is paid for too. All my custom work is profit.

 

[Deerebines]

Uh huh.....yea, you got us there on one item. let's talk about if your rear beater bearing goes out. You just lost that 55 minutes you saved plus another half a day. Then, there's the fact you have to keep two sets of cylinder bars up to shape. I am convinced that the bars towards the back on the right side of the massey are the reason you get a cleaner sample vs. the deere but it's another system you have to keep up to snuff and we liked to went nuts keeping the slip clutch tight while cutting weeds in wheat this summer in the old man's 860. I'm not going to get into a color war with you goober. The deere most definitely has it's finer moments when I'd like to beat an engineer half to death for some of thier stupidity putting things together but I have worked on both and our farm has ran_runs both and I will hands down tell you that massey takes much more time overall and your parts are alot higher......parts that won't work in other equip either like bearings is what I'm referring to. Besides.....5 minutes is a bit far fetched on that massey belt. I always said you had to be half monkey to work on a massey.