Combines 2377

[Farm_Kid2]

You are kidding, rightIJ Why would anyone want a "detuned" 88IJ If the machine is physically the same size, why have two versionsIJ

 

[jalopy]

Don't know... ask the Deere engineers that, seems to work for them. I toured the E.Moline plant a couple of weeks ago, they say they are going to discontine 2366 when plant closes, and will be continuining production of 2388 at Grand Island. Hah, I'll believe that when I see it. This is pure speculation, but I'll bet when E.Moline closes, 23's are done. Hold your breath, maybe a 7010 if you're lucky. I can't imagine in todays big business of cost-cutting that they would run two different production platforms at the same plant... won't happen. If they don't continue making a smaller (six row) machine, they will be shooting themselves in the foot. look at what Deere is doing, with their introduction of 9560 rotary. I think it will be a big hit on midwestern corn and bean farms. Extremely bad timing for CNH to quit 2366 when Deere is just coming out with this. Seems the countryside gets greener all the time.

 

[iaremec]

i was in meeting last week that the same was stated. how can you make a combine with same chassis and rotor and engine with less hp. for significantly less money. someone is smoking pot. what i can see is creating buyers for small nh. maybe they will paint them red for you color barons. remember what happened to the tractors. basically one line painted two colors. some variations, but still same lines. you will see it in combines . wait and see. cnh will not put parts and info. on line. looks like they are happy at being no.2 trully j.d. is no. in there thinking in the internet era. my 02. worth and that might be overrated.

 

[Farm_Kid2]

I'm with you....same platform means about the same $ to build the machine. Charging less for a "77" just eats into the profit. Since the 2388 can get down to a 118" track with 30.5's, I guess it can work as a 6 row machineIJ If they can pick up enough volume by combining the two models, the cost position will probably be good, but it's a marketing nightmare in my opinion. Putting a big price difference between the two will just encourage folks to buy the 77 and soup it up to 88 performance. The guys who currently run 66's won't want the extra size and weight, and will probably feel like they are paying for more than they need. But, what do I knowIJ

 

[chads]

Deere has got the marketing going on, no question about that. But, look at the resale value of those 2 yr old rotaries sitting on the lot. Then look at the price on one with 1000 hrs on it. They are making a throw away combine, in my opinion. Nobody I talk to wants to own one after 1000 hrs because the maintenance and upkeep is way too high. They are now, the 80's massey's of combines, the way I see it. Personally, I think these machines are going to get a bad rap before it's over. However, I do agree that getting rid of the 66 is kind of stupid. Heck, in our area it's an 8 row machine w_ 25' flex, not a small combine. The 9560 Deere isn't a small machine either. I don't see how Deere can support so many combine models, there prices and profit margins have got to be out of whack. Oh well, my next combine will probably be a well used 1688 anyway. Chads

 

[gunner]

CNH,if they have sence at all they could see people buying up these rummered 2377 for a lower price, turning up the pump and changing a sticker on the side

 

[Big_Al]

I have said this before If CNH does not keeping making the 2388 my next combine is going to be an R 65 Gleaner they have the Cummins engine also have good product support on the custom harvest run. So if any of you Case engineers read this forum you have seen here in this thread what will happen to these current Case combine owners they will switch brands. It seems to me the inmates are running the asylum here. listen up CNH we as farmers and harvesters want the 2366 and 2388 combines continued don't expect us to come running to buy the 8010's or CR 970's. the 23 series of Case IH combines is the best rotary combine on the market today so don't screw that up.

 

[angus11]

Isn't this the same thing they do with tractors. Same tractor add 20-50 hp and add ten thousand for every 20 hp. Seems to me their making a killing on adding a few more ponies.

 

[jacco]

a Magnum of any size is better than any alternative...

 

[Bundy]

Just interested in what you had to say there, in particular the line..."the 23 series of Case IH combines is the best rotary combine on the market today so don't screw that up" As I have read the previous posts. All that was "proposed" is to drop the physically smaller 2366 in favour of a de-rated 2388, ie the 2377. And one would assume that would lead onto costs benifts for the company, only having one chassis, rotor and seperator system as apposed to having two seperate lines and the expense of doing so. ie simlar to the 9660_9760_9860 JD's. I guess my question leads on from the comments above. If the "next generation" of the IH axial-flow single rotor combine, be it 8010,7010 painted red, yellow or white, has the exact same threshing design, ie same AFX rotor and concaves and beater design. But with more capacity and all the new bells and whistles people seem to desire, (as they are all to fat and lazy to get out of an air-conditioned cab and hook up the header or set the seives... but thats another post) Why would they be "screwing it up"IJ No doubt people were jumping up and down when the 2100 series came out, and I still see posts and here people saying that the 1666_88 machines where the best ever! The other thing that I put to you is if you had the choice of the 2366 or 2377, both with the same hp and price, which one would you go forIJ As I understand it from the guys that operate them, the limiting factor on the 2366 is sieve size, not hp, unlike the 2166's. Plus how many pure farmers can afford a new 2366 todayIJ By that I mean, if you have a seven to ten day window to get your crop off in and you believe one 2366 will get your crop off in that time (ie 10 sep hr_day) then I put it to you that you can't afford to own a new 2366 on current prices and grain returns. New combines are more and more the bastion of large custom cutters or corporate farms and all they want are idiot proof machines with big capacity. And it doesn't matter what make or colour you want to talk about they are all now building to meet this market.