tony went to dealer supper other night at church hall big 8010 in parking lot no lightning strickes so the good lord must see some good in it,good friend of mine is head tech there he's taking a 2 week intro course then will go back for the real thing he told me he's got a stack of updates 2 inches thick one update he tells me is scheduled to take 2 men 69hrs to complete. well if they don't work out they can always park them out front of McDonalds or Burger King an let the kids crawl thu them. would like to know if anyone ever tried to install l10 or M11 cummins on a 21 or 2388 you boys up north like to tinker with projects like thatIJIJIJIJIJIJIJIJIJ