"getting a 8010 will be a good move" based on what or is that just your opinionIJ explainIJIJ 2-4 yrs is that how long it will take to "refine" the 8010IJ I guess I don't understand since "caseih engineered the rotor" how they could build a new series and have it be so unreliable. I am a JD guy, so yeah tell me JD combines are no good, thats fine. JD introduced a whole new machine (STS),we ran one the first year out,did we have problems no. A learning curve as far as the rotor yes. Have they continued to improve it each year yep. In my "opinion" CASEIH needs a better RandD department. Been around a lot of 1680's 88's 21's and 23's good machines. As far as the 8010...only two, one had several problems, the other was a beast, but nothing more than a 9750_60 or 480. I have nothing against CASEIH or anybody that has one just think that the 8010 was a flop.