Combines ethanol and biodeisel

Silver_Shoes

Guest
Guys, dont get bent out of shape about the subsidies used for grain fuels, the petro industry is one of the most heavily subsidized industries in the USA. Just USE it and PROMOTE it and it will become a modern and important fuel source.
 

Chads

Guest
One thing in Biodiesel's favor is that it will increase the mileage_fuel efficiency of a diesel engine, due to being an oxygenate and having about the same BTU's_gal as diesel. Ethanol is an oxygenate also, but it lowers the BTU rating of the fuel and will often lower mileage by a noticable percentage. It also has real problems with evaporation, and collecting water during transport. Ethanol can't be moved in pipelines. This makes Biodiesel a much easier sell than ethanol. As far as subsidies. Neither fuel is technically subsidized. However, they do receive tax abatements, which just means you don't pay road tax on that portion of the fuel. Currently, this makes Biodiesel cheaper than n2 fuel. Additionally, at least in MO. For every % biodiesel in a blend you abate the tax's on the same percentage of the diesel, up to a max of 10 or 20%. What needs to happen now is more emmissions_fuel efficiency testing. If the soybean producers really wanted to push Biodiesel. What they need to do is fund emmisions testing at NIPER. The fuel can't go into widespread use without widespread testing, and engine manufacturers just aren't going to spend their own money to do it, untill it becomes absolutely necessary, or economically attractive to do it. Biodiesel will probably become an almost unaviodable additive with the further lowering of sulfur in diesel fuels. It's very effective at replacing the lubricity that sulfur provides, and very economical in that role. Even before the tax abatement program, a 2% blend of Biodiesel, would replace a petroleum based sulfur additive for the same cost. That's the kind of numbers that will drive Biodiesel use. I don't see any similar advantages for ethanol. FR What's your mileage on E85IJ
 

robmgrig

Guest
What you say about the mileage on ethanol makes sense. But i just took a trip up to Illinois last week and filled up with a 10% blend up there and got about 3miles_gal better mileage with it than I did with the gas that I filled up with before the trip.
 

Chads

Guest
I'm not gonna try to start some heated discussion here, becuase it's definately not warranted. But did you have the same octane fuel, etc. lots of things can affect mileage, however, a 3 MPG jump is pretty good depending on the vehicle. What were you drivingIJ
 

FR

Guest
Usually it is 14-15 with E-85 and 16-17 with reg. Here the E-85 sells 20 cents cheaper than reg. I was wrong on my last post there are currently 14 on line in MN. now with 3 more with in the year. For the most part the people that have invested $ in most plants are receiving good divedends I invested in this one close to home last fall so I will see in a couple of years if it was the thing to do.
 

robmgrig

Guest
I used 87 octane both times. I was driving a 96 Mazda B2300.
 

Chads

Guest
The return to investors on the early ethanol plants has been really good. One about an hour away from me recently doubled in size and no shares were sold outside the existing membership. Most of the shares payed off in 3 years or so. Chads
 

Chads

Guest
Well heck. ;0) Try er again and see, but that wouldn't be a typical response, although I suppose it's possible. Chads
 

Case_Farmer

Guest
Well in southern ill every place now has ethanol we did have a crapy gas staion in flora, il that had a sticker that had ethanol with a circle and a mark going threw it we pulled up and you should have seen the look on my dad's face lol All stations offer it now on Disel we are useing the 15% however i think only a few locals are thats sad..... WE are complaining about other people not useing ethanol or bio disel when farmers aren't doing it or makeing the most of what they can buy
 

robmgrig

Guest
I'd love to use ethanol and biodeisal full time but its just not readily available here in west TN
 
 
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