More trash talk.....but you may have a point. I havn't heard much good about the newer NH machines. It seems that Case has gotten better (I think NH used to be superior) and NH has gotten worse in engineering, quality and workmanship. Although I am still a New Holland man; But will only run a TR and not a CR machine. But when the time comes to trade, I will be seriously looking at the Case machines, but only the rotaries. Because I grow canaryseed, mustard and chickpeas etc. up here in SE Central Alberta. I would propbably buy a Gleaner before I buy Case. My neighbour has a 2388 Case IH and cusses about having to replace tin every 500 hours and concaves don't last in more abrassive crops like chickpeas and field peas, etc. But I think for small cereal grains they are good combines. Don't know about corn and don't care; don't grow it this far north......I wish I knew what the f*@$%ing answer was. Depends on what kind of crops you grow and your typical crop conditions for where you farm, I guess. You have to go by your own wits and play it by ear andlike my grandfather used to say, "If you can't pay for it, leave it sit on the shelf". He never borrowed money in his lifetime and neither have I. Maybe that is the key to successIJ........