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[John]

The dealer and combine owner of the JD set the thing. Found SlOW and POOR grain quality in comparison to the CIH and Gleaners. So the combine owner and the dealer are at fault for poor set up. Keyword was I "operated". And the neighbors STS has been the neighborhood laughing stock for 3 seasons with his 2388 doing 75+% of the harvest of over 4000 acres. WhatIJ An STS won't even properly harvest 1000 acres annually without being trucked out of the field several times. And the CaseIH ,Gleaner, Massey and NH dealers aren't AUCTIONING their inventory as are the Deere dealers in this area. Deeres must be the top seller to have dealers Auctioning(normally reduced prices) them to get them off the lot! And the CaseIH section of Fiat aren't in financial RED, nor is AGCO. Can't say that about Deere's loses this past fiscal year. Does this mean that Fiat_CNH and Agco are more savvy business men than that of Deere, according to stockholders, yes! Your C62 is somewhat of an old Massey_Claas design that Gleaner inherited with Massey. Notice that Massey's flagship is the old White rotary design now and a very good machine! And why did it take JD 20 years to decide that a rotary design was the way to goIJ And copied many ideas of the existing machines already on the market, as they have in most of their designs. It's sad that I run a 20 yr old Gleaner that far out performs the neighbors 3 yr old STS.

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

Your reply seems scattered, although it still deserves correction. First, the C62 has NOTHING to do with the Claas_Massey design; - the C62 is an R62 with walkers, and little more. I can't critisize you too much on this since there are very few of these combines in the fields. If you're neighbors STS is this inferior, then why does he still have it on his farmIJ You mention that the STS had to be trucked off the farm several times; - was it totally disabledIJ As far as Deere dealers having auctions, well this simply means that they're selling combines and taking trades which have to be liquidated; - seems like good business sense to me! Deere has lost money before, and they will again, but they seem to survive just fine, and thier stock value seems to hold its own over the "long-haul". I can relate to being the laughing stock of the neigborhood, though, because this was exactly how I felt when I bought my "2nd year" N6 over 20 years ago. Gleaner couldn't fix my problems then, however my Deere dealer has always been there for me. We've been Gleaner owners since eternity, and I think the biggest reason I've stuck with Gleaner to this day is purely nostalgia. I agree with you when you say the Massey rotary is an excellent design, and I was ready to trade my C62 on one until I rented an STS9650 this past fall; - now I'm unsure! I guess the point is, if you know what you're doing, the STS9650 is an excellent, high capacity combine with excellent performance. If you don't know what you're doing (or if you're unsure) then stick with what you know, especially if it works. Don't try to convince anyone that an STS is an inferior product; - anyone close to the situation knows that it simply isn't true!

 

[John]

Neighbors STS has had Engine,Hydro,Processor and electrical problems since day one. They have tried to trade it for 2 years now and all the dealers within 100 miles know about this machine and just laugh. And it was manufactured only 130 mile from here. Because of this 1 machine, it is an orphan in the area. Nobody wants those troubles with one. Deere would have been smarter to have taken it back after the first season and melted it down. It has had far more problems than the first 3 years of the Gleaner N series, I own an 82 N6 Series 3(the all fixes in one). I can relate to the early N's as well as the early Axial's and TR's. But a machine that has been followed for 3 seasons by the dealers service truck and JD Reps regular visits. This machine almost sounds like that report that was out a couple months ago about that other fellows STS that was New this summer. This owner has no plans of ever going Deere again because Deere can't or won't fix and keep this machine running. And the C62 according to my Gleaner Dealer about 80% Massey_Claas design that has the capacity of the R62. I have only seen 1 and they are closely related to the last of the Massey's before the White rotary was updated and rebadged Massey. And the last of the Massey's were a joint venture with Claas. Before Claas went with Cat. Also this past Fall within 20 mile of me I know of 2 STS's that were DEAD in the field for over 3 weeks that could be viewed from the Interstate, good advertising for Deere. All 3 of these machines were sold by the same dealer from different locations in the state.

 

[Illinois_Gleaner]

Silverturnedgreen, Where the heck have you beenIJIJIJIJIJ Good to see ya back.Not going to get in your disageement with John,but I agree with you that the C62 came from the Gleaner side of things from what Ive seen and heard. As far as the Old Gleaners and the new deeres that are having there problems from being a new machine. Do you think that the Deere owners will give the STS more of a chance then most people gave the old N series combinesIJIJ I think they will give them alot more of a chance. But anyway always like to here your comments as I know that you run both kinds IllINOIS GlEANER

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

It definitely sounds like that Deere is a very unique lemon, supported by an equally inept dealer. The ONlY problem I came across with the STS "demonstrator" was electrical problems, and our local dealer went so far as to bring the regional service manager from Deere out to my farm to help fix the problem, once and for all. In the meantime, he supplied me with a 9650 conventional, free for the use. Your Gleaner dealer is misleading you though, as far as the C62 is concerned. Trust me, the C62 IS an R62 with walkers, and this is very apparent when you park the two machines side by side. In fact, my Gleaner brochure states that approximately 50% of the parts on the C62 are totally interchangeable with the R62. The C62 has little (if any) similarity to a Massey design, and even less comparerd to a Claas. Your dealer is either confusing the C62 with the 8450_8460 series Massey's, or he just plain "doesn't know". Our friend tbran would be able to quantify this, as well!

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

Good to hear from you also, Illinois Gleaner. Actually, I think the Deere owners ARE giving the STS an objective break, probably moreso than the Gleaner owners did when the N-series first arrived. In all honesty, the STS's have been working fine in our area, and even my "red-heritage" (case-ih) uncle had to admit that the STS9650 seemed to substantially out-perform his 2388, although he still prefers his case-ih. Our N6 gave us 3 years of headaches, but actually turned into a decent machine once we updated it with every inconceivable modification. We chose to be patient with the N6 purely out of neccessity; - we couldn't afford to deal it, and no dealer wanted it on trade! What saved our @ss was the fact that our Allis dealer "privately" financed our l2 trade-in back to us, so that we could harvest with one "full-time" l2 and one "part-time" N6 for a few years. He actually came through for us; - and then he went bankrupt!

 

[Tim_nj]

That STS ain't unique. There were 2 here in New Jersey that died in the field last year. Electronics failures. Did Deere get a bad batch of chips or somethingIJ

 

[SilverTurnedGreen]

The only electrical problem I heard of was on the first model year STS9650, and the problem (according to our dealer) was within the fuel injection system. The STS9750's were apparently okay!