Combines looking for the lowdown on the 8010 AFX

Apparently you can't read, either. Where did I say anything about a 1688IJ It was a 2188 and 2388 with 20-foot heads. I was very surprised to see such small heads on big combines, but that's the way they do it, for whatever reasons. The fact that they couldn't match ground speeds with the 9860 with 15 more feet of header really makes me wonder. These guys have been Binder forever, so it's not like they're new to them. I can see why we had another guys trade in two Binders for a 9750, though. He's pleased as punch and is getting more done. I guess I shouldn't have expected to get any honest answers about the 8010 from such biased people. Why do so many Binder guys hang on the Deere board, anywayIJ What are you worried aboutIJ

Case website lists 2388 as having 280hp.

What's annoying about your post is that you are stating that two 88 series combines can't do what one machine can do. Due to whatever reason the owner of the binders only runs 20 foot heads on these combines is a very lopsided comparsion. If these two binders are up to par in the threshing system and with the correct size headers, your one combine will not out perform these two combines. It's a little know secret that Massey had the tine idea in the early seventies but shelved the idea due to the high maintenance on the threshing system. When you have to resort to chrome and castiron parts due to high wear in corn and soybeans, you have a high cost rotary threashing system. My mistake on the 1688, however this model has very similar capacity to the 2188_2388 minus a few updates like your comparison to the 9750_9860 which is basically a 9750 with a bigger motor plus a few updated features.

Don't be ragging on red guys on the green board when you've been posting on the red board yourself. Do you bleed green too!!!! Give your head a shake if you think a 9860 can replace two 88's. You had me believing some of the things you were saying and then you lose all creditability when you come up with stuff like that. I don't disagree that the JD is a great machine in corn, but for what I'm harvesting (hard red spring wheat at 20% moisture),the JD with smooth threshing elements just doesn't cut it.

I couldn't really care less what you think. Myself, the owners of the red combines, and about ten other dealership personnel sat there and watched it happen. You weren't there, and have no idea what you're talking about. I posted on the Deere board in response to a question from a guy that owns a Deere, because I knew exactly what he was referring to when he mentioned the bearing failure. Is that not fairly apparentIJ As for the 9860 outperforming two 88s, it happened, so deal with it. I'm not even saying that it would happen in all crops or all conditions, because it SHOUlDN'T happen at all. Maybe if they had had even 25-foot heads on the 88s, it would have turned out differently. Now we'll never know. What is even more interesting is that the local C-IH dealer can't even get their hands on an 8010 for their customers to demo, while we've demoed the 9860 to several red operators. It's kind of hard to sell a combine that you can't get, isn't itIJ And why are all these replies dedicated to bashing me and Deeres, when I was looking for info on the 8010IJ So far, I have received zero information from supposedly knowledgeable Binder guys. Why is thatIJ

If that's as good as they can operate the binders, I for one would be glad to see them switch. Obviously there is something not right with the machines they have, settingIJ wearIJ I don't know. But if I were to compare the way you have I would have to relate this story. We demoed a 9750 STS with a 36' draper. We were cutting 80 bushel an acre hard red spring wheat testing 18%. I ran both the STS and my 2188 with 30' auger header. When all was said and done, my 2188 had 10% more capacity. So when the dealer left and left the STS behind I checked how it was set, it was all wrong, so I readjusted it and tried it again, this time it was ahead of the 2188. Just because this guy has had binders for a long time doesn't mean he knows how to set them. You sometimes actually have to look for yourself to make sense of the situation.

I can't answer why the dealers can't get the 8010. Don't even care why. Intesting thing happened here a couple of days ago. I was in the local JD shop and talking to the salesman about the 9860, wanted some brochures and he didn't have any, but the funny thing was he didn't even mention to me that he has an 9860 being demoed. Strange I thought.

WhyIJ Are you interested in actually purchasing one, or are you just wanting to playIJ It would be of little value to demo the combine and take up valuable machine time by letting someone with no interest in purchasing one use it, while some other guy that IS interested wouldn't get the chance. Our demo machine was here for around 3 days or so, so we made sure potential purchasers got to use it, rather than just anybody who walked in the door. Some guy with a 6620 and 400 acres probably wouldn't be a good demo opportunity, would heIJ If you just want to see it up close or take a ride and drive, that's what farm shows are for. And if you're looking for information, Deere.com has everything that's in the sales literature. You can also spec, price and accesorize machines on there. I haven't seen that capability on the C-IH website, nor much of anything of value on there.

It would do me no good to look, because I wouldn't have the first clue how to set a Binder. There was a learning curve on the 9860. At first, we could only get about 3.5 mph out of it, with a very dirty sample. By making various small changes, we ended up cutting at 5 mph with an excellent sample. Maybe they could have optimized their 88s the same way, but that sure wouldn't help us sell a combine, would itIJ last time I checked, that's what we're in business for. I also didn't see any C-IH dealership personnel there to help with the machines that THEY sold them. Apparently it wasn't important to them. If they lose two combines, that's their loss and our gain. It's also interesting to note that the guys we were demoing for are close relation to the guys that traded in two Binders on a 9750. I believe they traded in a 1680 and a 2188, and the 9750 HAS replaced both of their machines. They couldn't be happier.

I stand corrected, i read it wrong and was thinking you said the there was a 100hp diff in the 9860 and 8010. Sorry