Combines New Combines at NFMS

One thing I noticed that the Case IH version didn't have as heavy a clean grain elevator bottom cover or polley paddles in it either,as does the NH CR model

Technology is certainly prevailing over simplicity. CaseIH with its CVT fedderhouse_rotor drive system and hydraulically driven cleaning fan, with many features also from New Holland; to New Holland's multiple belt drive systems (the whole Challenger_Massey combine concept leaves much to be desired...I wonder what the price difference will be between comparably sized and outfitted Challenger_Massey combines, last fall's farm shows proved the supposed class 7 Massey [Challenger] isn't capable of operating efficiently with a 12 row head). Deere will soon be out with a slightly larger machine with more features (electric sieves, mirrors, etc.) and new headers that won't fit older machines (they had better get that lousey feederhouse drive gear box problem solved if they want to continue in the 12 row market!). And, the lexion stood out and no longer is the most percieved complex combine ont he market thanks to NH and CIH! It's amazing to see how long it took the big three to finally catch up to the technology used in_on the lexion and the lexion and Claas folks who were working the show were very reassuring about the long-term of the lexion and Claas in North America. The lexion still has the largest and most productive line of models and the largest class 8 in North America and it certainly has caused other mfg's. and skeptics to "eat crow".

I have operated the CR's,a 970 and a 960. After you have been around them in the field for awhile it's easy to name the unique features. Twin rotors, electronic stone stone trap, the only near perfect feeder reverser,fastest unloading, most fuel efficient enginein the genesis, the best chopper, simple and powerfull feederhouse drive, self-leveling shoe, grain pan to pre-seperate grain from trash, simplest concave removal and easy access to entire rotor, very efficient and unique rethresher, excellent monitoring with a unique readout. I probably have overlooked some so maybe you guys can add someIJ I would have added very low maintenance, but I guess that has to be proven yet. I for one would much prefer to work on a CR than any other.

we run R72's, two years ago I helped a custom cutter that runs 480 lexions cut some wheat in ND. after a week He admited there is no way he could keep us with us, he had three machines and we had two and when we settled up he paid me fo half the cutting, and said he probably got to me a little. This summer we ran a 8780xp massey with our R72's and it was all the silver ones would do to out cut it. Before we got done with it we put it in some fields with 5 2388's and it ate them for lunch. The Massey always had the best sample of any of the other machines. know you can say what you want about we didnt know how to set the cats or cases but the truth is the people running them, at the time, were probabley some of the most noledgable of there brand of machine. the massey isnt suffering from lack of options or features it is just so refined its way simplier and efffieciant than any other machine built. Also when we were done with the 8780 we were washing it a found that a turbo clamp was loose. sure would of liked to seen it in action with all its ponies. The only things it needed changed they did with the new machines this year.we have ran gleaners since the beginig of gleaners but we think this new machine is a better design than even them. simplicity=cheaper combine= less operating cost= more money in the bank and less money to those money lossen case and lexion equipment companies.

Don't know which Massey you were looking at, but the 9790 I saw is about as close to how I would design a combine as anything I've seen. If you like complexity and electronic gizmos (personally I don't),the CR and AFX will suit you fine. And the class 7 Massey will handle a 12 row head with the best of them. You can't judge a machine on one performance at a farm show. Remember, often these machines are being set by sales people, not probably the most knowledgeable on the product. I saw at a farm show this summer the CR struggle in high moisture corn where the Gleaner prevailed. I think the CR concept is quite sound and don't judge the machine on this single incident. What has happened with the MF 9790 is that there was a deflector missing which caused the shoe to be overloaded on one side, which is what I learned at the show. Remember the deflector plates under the TRs and how critical they were to shoe loadingIJ I don't think enough good can be said about the merits of the MF design. Are farmers ready for a European design in the CR and AFXIJ Time will tell, but Claas hasn't exactly been overwhelmingly successful.

Yes I think that New Holland has put everything that can be put on a combine and it should work very good. I just hope that it not to much for some people to handle. Every time I see the new CR I find more things I like about it. I just got the new sales book on the CR's and it has better pictures and show's much more of the details of the combine. After this next year I'm sure that many more people will be looking at NH. IlNH

That is one thing that the new CR has done away with is those deflector plates now. The self leveling cleaning system did away with them. If you look inside the CR's it is a very clean layout now. It will also make this one of the most forgiving combines to set nowdays. I think a lot of stuff has been removed from the inside of the combine and other stuff is easy to get to on the outside of the combine. If you take the time to study the new CR or AFX it is not as bad as it seems. IlNH

The new CR has Iveco engines, not Genesis

Not the 920 and 940, they still have 7.5 Genesis in them. The 960 has 7.8 and 970 has a 10.3 Iveco.

The CR920 and the CR940 still use the 7.5l Genesis engine. The CX840 also uses the Genesis engine. The CR920 has mechanical governor on the injection pump whereas he CR940 and CX840 use electronically controlled governors.