Combines New Combines at NFMS

I hear ya loud and clear Harvester! Ilnh and myself spent about 45 minutes looking at the CR plus having one of the NH's guys telling us all about why changes where made and such. He was a good sport though as I countered him on every explanation and he only gave me a few looksIJ Intersting enough, he told us first off they where just beefing up the '99 to make a bigger, stronger machine. But they stopped and went the route of the CR_CXIJ I figured this was about the time that CIH and NH mergedIJ He also told that they brought in owners of all makes to get their input on what they would like to see on the new machineIJ No wonder the CR is the size of a Deere now , ehIJ And yes, as a loyal TR owner I felt that slap in the face! I don't doubt the machine will perform, that's not what is at issue with me on this change. My major issue with the change is that they followed the other's instead of staying on the avenue that the TR pavedIJ He even told us, the only thing that a CR has in common with a TR is 2 rotorsIJ In other words, a complete overhaul was made to their combine platform and an un-proven one at that! like I told Ihnh, the day of a high capacity_compact machine with few moving parts is GONE!!!!! We now venture into the future of overly large combinesIJ Man I wish that Bi-Rotor machine would have gotten to market, I think we would not be seeing all this weight and size if it had ofIJ [comments welcomed]IJIJIJIJIJIJ Do you know if there is much difference in the pricing of a Challenger versus MF rotaryIJ I looked at them both rather well. I still don't like them as much as a TR, butIJ I do like the Cat motor over the Cummins and the yellow one has a variable fan where the red one was 2 speed. Thxs, JD

Where did you get your sales bookIJ Also, the 7.5 is a Genises, what is the 7.8 liter engine manufacturerIJ

I have a few comments I'd like to make. First off, somone mentioned a problem with the CR in High Moisture Corn. I hope they weren't talking about Husker Harvest, cause here is what happen there. New Holland was showing quite a bit of corn on the ground, and couldn't seem to figure out where it was comming from. First they thought the Rotors. They added aggitation pins and corn was still on the ground. Also, checked out every aspect of the cleaning system. The day before it had run perfect, and I'll remind you, this is just hours after a 2" rain hit Grand Island early that morning. Anyway, the next day they came to find out it was the deck plates on the new Corn Head. The engineers told me Case insisted that on the common platform Corn Header, they used their deck plates, which slant down on one side. Cobs would wedge in between and just shell out. That is what happen there. The second thing......The new CR is an unproven designIJ The main components are header, feeding, threshing, cleaning.......ok, headers have been improved, but not completely changed.....second, the rotors, besides the 970 are the same, only longer....third, the self leveling cleaning shoe has been used in the TX and CX machines for years.......and the feeder house has been extended, and the stone ejection improved, but same technology. They still have the same, best reverser in the business. Come on guys, the first year there will be bugs, I don't doubt that, but the CR is going to prove itself as a great machine....mark my words.

It taking them 2 days to figure out header loss as the culprit does not surprise me if it was the same engineers who helped design the CR!!!!!! I bet adding those pins made them look real smart too! Have a sense of humor man, JD

They sent it to me in the mail the other day and thanked me for going to the combine demo last fall, so I guess my dealer must of turned in my name to the company. The 7.8 engine is a Iveco, that is owned by CNH.

No no no, it was pretty much a Case Header painted yellow. NOw that they share parts......example..Case now has New Hollands reverser, only for some reason they took out the gear to inch it forward. What I'm saying is New Holland liked their header the way it was, but stubborn case guys had to change(screw) it up. That header and combine came directly out of the factory and New Holland ran it for a week before the show trying to take the "sharp edges"off everything before the show. They told me they don't like using a new machine for shows, you get more damage.

thanks for the info, my brochure got stomped in the back seat of a pickup for a couple months, so I no longer have it. I'm only 3 miles from a NH dealer that has new ones, guess I'll get one and study it some more.

I think initially pricing may favor the Challenger version, based on talks in louisville. Probably not by a great deal. Both machines do actually use a variable speed fan that operates through 2 ranges, which you see on the right hand side where the actuator is. Speed is variable within that range for light crops or "normal" crops. Talking with other guys at the show, many of them Case owners, the Massey was getting a great deal of attention. A friend of mine with a TR who used to run MF back in the day is trading the TR for the big MF 9790 class 7. When it comes to combines suited for corn_beans, the Massey and TR are at the top of my list. But I'd much rather work on the Massey over the TR. Fewer things period and easier to get to. Oh, the corn heads are still New Holland heads. Case only differentiated their version to inclue the knife rolls for stalk shredding. NH corn head seems like a good performer to me.

the headers a the show shure looked like a new holland to me! thats what the nh reps said too

Thanks for the info! So on the 2 speed deal, you have to manually change the belt but, once in the range you can adjust via rocker switch inside of cab under arm restIJ I just can't get used to all the stuff on these newer machines so high over my headIJ The TR was bad enough on tippy toes for a couple things but these will require a step ladder. On the Massey_Challenger, the radiator seems to be hard to get at to clean. It opens up and all but to blow it out you have crawl up and get right in front of it, or so it appears to meIJ Where on the TR you have an uncluttered entry and exit to the radiator and coolersIJ Don't ask me about getting at the radiator on the CR as I'm sure it comes with a "JetPac" so you can hover around her to check it over and clean! lOl!!!! Having been around the TR's for so long, these other machines seem to be so complex in the frames and tin work that just trying to get a good look at them is a hassle to meIJ Thxs again and I really appreciate your knowledge and help, JD