Combines quiting R55

[tbran]

yes, for the moment. As per what I hear it is not chunked. There are plenty of field inventory. Some dealers are pretty upset. Company sez the market will not be there in two years. Not making any margin on it and if they do it will be too close to the R62. The REAl reason is they do not have an emmisions engine to put on it. Cummins no longer supplies engines to AGCO. Cummins told off road customers, no warranty on ag applications. They lowered the price a tad and said warranty it yourselves. This did not set well with AGCO. Agco owns its own engine company. It will cost a huge amount of money to fit the AGCO engine to a 55 and test it. This would again hit the pocketbook. So, for now they have resources going else where, if the demand is there it will be put back into production. The key is demand. IMHO I think Gleaner could hit a nitch with this unit. With the CDF rotor it has some amazing capacity and simplicity. It will not run with the 62 in high moisture corn, but it is still a machine for the 1000 A and down farmer who still wants to own a new machine. OF course the economic gurus say it is not feasable, but then 99.9% of those who tell others what to do aint' never done it right themselves and had to make payroll and farm expenses. I know a few customers who have farmed less than 600 acres and could buy and sell a lot of BTO's.

 

[Tim_nj]

The R55 should do well in the mid-Atlantic states. Is this another case of management not being able to see potential outside of the midwestIJ

 

[Gleamer]

Guy's, would this help the 52's and 55's hold their value because they may be sought after by the smaller farmer or decrease their value because of calling it a discontinued modelIJ Is Agco obligated to maintain a parts base and supportIJ It would be nice of Agco to maybe cut out some creature comforts and offer something back to the basics of the say l3 era and offer the newer electronics etc as options. There would be a nich there, pulling sales from other companys that have left the smaller farmer in the dust. It would let the farmers that really know how to run and set a machine benefit from their knowledge. I run an R52 now, and after growing up in an F and M2 it seems to have more than I need or am used to. Thanks my2.

 

[silverbill]

How expensive is it to test an engine for a R55IJ I thought the engines were certified and then could be mounted on any equipment and still meet emission requirements. Since Agco owns an engine company you would think there would be a model to fit that application. I've owned a R55 for two seasons and am impressed with the machine. It would be a shame to hand over that market to the competition.

 

[T__langan]

If I had to guess, I'd think that it would be time consuming to test an engine in a combine. There would have to be a lot of acres covered in varying conditions to check for chaff buildup that could start potential fires, heat buildup in an enclosed engine compartment, etc. In this day and age, anything that is time consuming is also expensive.

 

[tbran]

yes, throw in motor mounts, pto drives, coolant systems and mate radiator to the combine, pump drives, electrical interface, wiring throttle and shut down systems, ect. Then send out orders to have this all built or build it inhouse in large enough quantities to be feasable and so on.

 

[Hibred]

If this is the case then how did Agco manage to get the new Sisu engine in the R65 and R75 so quickly, surely they must have done all these time consuming tests before hand on them too. What do you guys think about this, did Agco test this new engine in the 65 and 75 before or were they put in very quickly without lots of testingIJ Sure wish they would release a little information about the newly designed flexhead, when and what its like and what differences they have made, nice to hear about these if anyone knows anything, sure would be appreciated.

 

[tbran]

eng test were underway even before agco bought sisu. Cummins made it clear a few years ago as to their desire to be in Ag equip as an oem eng. They were Really tough to do business with per agco service.

 

[Tom_Russell]

The job is always easer in the eyes of someone who is on the outside looking in. And a second truism is if there was money to be made on a certain machine with a particular engine we can be sure AGCO would build and sell it. They dont discontinue profitable lines.

 

[Hibred]

Very true, its always easier to criticize, really i was just wanting to make sure that Agco has done their testing on the new Sisu engine in the 65 and 75, don't know much about them to tell the truth. If anyone has anymore that you know about these engines compared to the Cummins i'd like to hear, thanks.