Combines R75 revisited let s talk about it

[tbran]

Hey Tl, what was that man of years gone by who spent his life with a lantern looking for an honest manIJ Dioginese or something like thatIJ I think we have found one!

 

[Ed_Boysun]

Rich, about the best advice I can give you is to stay away from the Gleaners or you may find that green one sitting in the tree row or dealer's lot sooner than you think. The first thing you will notice about a rotary, is that they thresh better and gentler than the conventionals. If you go out behind that 9600 when the wheat is a little tough in the mornings or late evenings, you will probably find a few heads that have a kernal or two way towards the bottom of the partially threshed head. I walk behind my rotary on some mornings when it's particularly tough and will find heads that look like they are still whole. If I squeeze that head, it is completely empty, not even one kernal towards the bottom. I was never able to get my l2 or a 9600 to thresh like that. The other thing that you will notice about a rotary is the ability to seperate the grain from the straw. losses over the walkers limit all of the conventionals when they get into heavy strawed, high yielding wheat. Rotaries are pretty much immune to this deal. Ed in Montana

 

[Deerebines]

Hello Ed.....I've been listening to this rotory talk for years. When I bought the 9600 a few years ago finances wouldn't permit me to buy a rotory with the same technology that the maximizer cab had and I was really wanting some creature comforts once. Now with a crummy crop year and matched crummy prices that 9600 won't be going anywhere for a loooooong time. Even after that, as crazy as these manufacturers are getting with thier prices for machines and I'm still cutting wheat with a price equivelant of that 30 years or better ago I'm real hesistant and doubtful I'll buy new. I've been reading and following about that massey 8980 (I believe that was the model number) but in seeing that new gleaner on the road this past week it made me curious as to what all was "new" on it. I'm beginning to think no more replies than I've had several on here are in the dark about this combine as well. Yea Ed, I'm pretty sure a rotory is in my future someday if I can stay afloat farming. As irritating as it is though sometimes I've got half a notion to unload all of it and just go buy a brand new Peterbilt!

 

[T__langan]

I'll tackle the feederhouse thing.... There are disadvantages to the long feeder. Mainly, the head won't follow the ground contour nearly as well sticking way out there as they will when the head is closer to the drive tires. It doesn't make that much difference side-to-side anymore with lateral tilt, but still does front-to-back. Wanna know why Deere has that long feederIJ Engineers found the ideal angle of attack for crop entering a cylinder many, many years ago. Gleaner had this ideal angle built into their old conventionals since the cylinder moved with the feederhouse when the head was raised and lowered - the angle of attack would never change. With machines where the feeder pivoted in front of the cylinder, this angle would change with head height. Gleaners still are designed with this ideal angle built into the machine. Deere realized that if they lengthened the feederhouse, they could maintain that angle closer to ideal over a wider range of header heights, even though it still changes. Hope this helped, Tom langan

 

[Kelly]

Threshing components stayed the same size but machine has a lot of refinements starting with a totally new cab. Still a Class 7 pumping 330 hp through an M11 Cummins and sporting a 330 bu grain bin. You know where to call if you need anything. Kelly

 

[Big_Green]

I would stay with the 9600 as long as i could. We have one and they are one of the best combines around.

 

[Rooster]

Given late model technology, feederhouse length is not a major factor to header contour. Contour is compensated by the quality of design and technology used for the sensory and actoric devices used on the header and feederhouse. Therefore, the feederhouse length can be adjusted to support feeding

 

[Deerebines]

Uh huh.........Oh, I know where to call Kelly. I didn't know if you were still around here, I don't usually come over to this page. You got any literature on this combine over there at SCIJ Might stop in sometime and grab a booklet if you do. No, I'm not in the market right now or any time soon. Just educating myself.

 

[dakota]

I found that, too that with a long feeder house it is more difficult to have the header follow the ground. Would somebody explain to me why JD moved the front axle back on the 50 series making it even worseIJ And don't tell me anybody that new sensors and autoheight and all that bs is going to compensate that, because it doesn't.

 

[Deerebines]

Now Tom, I disagree, I don't care what the contour of the ground is if the ground goes up I can raise the header with a switch in the cab and same thing if it goes down. Over the top of terraces and through the channel I have never found a problem. If the distance across the front of the plat changes in height, short of what the header length is then it doesn't matter what distance the plat sets from the drive tires your still going to rub on one end and be high on the other (unless having lateral tilt). Your argument doesn't hold water when all machines have a couple cylinders under the feederhouse to put the platform higher or lower. I don't know what the difference in distance is between the feederhouse length of the deeres vs. anyone else is but I can tell you that it's not out there far enough that I need binoculars and extra sensory equpiment to show me where in the heck I need to run the plat. I'm telling you, it's darn nice to not have to lean over and look between your legs to see how it's feeding in every once in a while when you want. Maybe it was a goof up on deeres part trying to get the right angle to feed in but the unintentional extra of distance out with the plat to see sure is nice for an operator. I've yet to see a real disadvantage for a longer feederhouse except for the fact possibly longer chains which have more links to go south on you and cause a problem..........that is a tiddlywink issue on a combine to demerit it. I imagine a guy get's used to what he's run. I started out with that 82 massey harris and it was a far cry from being out there and I was used to it when I ran it. I imagine running a gleaner most your life it hasn't ever been much of an issue for you as you are used to it. I spose if I ever traded color I'd get used to a shorter feederhouse. I put up with it when I run the old mans 860 and don't gripe. Just a preference issue when you get down the nitty gritty I feel.