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What is so unbelievable when somebody trades for a different color. There are people every year switching all kind of colors. If you want to meet them, come to the US Custom Harvester Convention in Wichita Falls, TX on March 1-3.

One such engineer did go to Deere after IH merged with Case, worked on the combine project at Deere for a few months and is now designing cabs or some other stuff. This particular engineer was on the Axial Flow project from the start (the late 60's) and knew that Deere couldn't build a better machine than the AF, so he quit trying and switched to some other dept. and some other project. Case Corp has a patent that is renewed as soon as it expires on the impeller that feeds the rotor. The competitors like to call them "elephant ears" but I like to call them the best design that works! Just wait, that part of the combine will be even better in the next generation. I asked an engineer from Deere why the rasp bars on the STS were smooth. I told him that in the red world one replaces them when they look like that. His response was that he didn't know how it worked but that he had a rasp bar on his desk as a paper weight that had 1000 hours on it and the only difference was that the paint was worn off. Not to good of an answer for me for being an engineer type, but he continued on knocking the red one. I told him we would talk after the Straight Thru Seeder had a successful quarter century under its belt. Won't happen. By then after trying to buy market share with the STS and failing, they will give up and go on telling us that the walker machine is superior to any other design. Eat this smarty pants from an above message that says all some of us do is spew mindless drivel. I leave that to the big 3 news anchors at 5:30PM, who couldn't get the news right if it bit them. What I spew, is yes, brand loyalty, and a sense of what has worked so well for so long for me and many others in an honest and open way. Good day!

Hey ihc-afc thats pretty cool I agree...Thats the whole reason that I thought these Forums were here for, if something works for you the way they (the manufacturers) say they are supposed to, then tell our fellow operators , and on the same hand tell us about their downfalls, sure there are dyed in the wool COlOUR people, but,like you and some others on these Forums especially the Gleaner blokes,( they seem to have a joke occasionly) I try to tell things the way that they happen out here in our crop and climatic conditions. Some operators maybe in so far with a particular COlOUR they cant see the forest for the trees......BOSS 351........

ihc-afc, This message like most of your posts is BS. Pantents are not renewable. A company cannot refile for a patent, unless the design is changed. The impelers have had no design changes that merit a pantent since 1974 (the year they were originally patented).

I have talked to many custum cutters..And I run my own crew and farm in iowa...I have ran every brand..I would have to say the combine with the least amout of power in Wheat_soybeans and burns the most fuel is the case..Thats just not me talking.Cutters I know say (that have owned case equipment for 15yrs)if the case gets in a little wet conditions"you have to keep following the combine with the fuel truck"They are very disapointed in fuel consumption.Most of them are going to trade there case's for Deere or Cat.But I haven't compaired the sts and axial in wheat yet.In beans the case will plug up in tuff conditions.The 9650sts will not..I tried to plug it myself..I went through green green weeds_beans and it didn't even SlUG!!This is the honest truth..I could not plug it..It ran all over the case 2388 and JD9650con.The head couldn't cut the beans fast enough.And it didn't throw any out.In corn we ran it on a 12 row and it did a great job.We go over 20 thousand acers of corn_beans and wheat.If someone thinks that the sts is junk..I hope you can run one once..Thats all I have to say.AND I'M NOT COlOR BlIND!!

Just trying to figure out if I know you. Do you cut wheat on some Robinson ground at CaldwellIJ

Well yes I do..let me guess,is this GregIJOr maybe Tim..E-mail me at RGJFarms@msn.com

Hi ihc-afc, A renewable patent, ehIJ Tell me, have you patented this concept; - I hope so, you'll make a million! I base my comparisons upon the (approximately) 200 hours of 9650STS rental usage I had over the past year, running against my 9610 and my uncles 2388. Have you even set your sorry @ss in a DeereIJ Would you know what you were doing if you didIJ Remember, the first step in conquering your problem is to admit it. If you're happy with your Axial-Flow, then GREAT... my uncle likes his too! If you want to "sing the praises" of AF technology, the CaseIH forum will love to hear from you, but (as I stated in the above post) the originator of THIS post ClEARlY asks for opinions from operators who have ACTUAllY operated BOTH machines, not from narrow minded dreamweavers who rely on mindless drivel from (in this case) deere hunters! (oh, by the way, my uncles 2388 came close to keeping up in corn, but fell far behind in soys, kidneys and straight weedy barley)

It's Tim, I tried to e-mail you and it keeps coming back undeliverable. E-mail me at tjturek@kanokla.net

Yup, I have spent time in both! Started with Massey til the 510, and still feel they made the best conventional combine of anyone. Switched to AF, and have spent enough time in the green ones to know what they are. They always have this way of sticking levers and controls in the most inconvenient places; combine or tractor. Spent enough time in a 9500 then later a 9510 Sidehill, so I know enough about the green ones and might add, have some respect for their walker machines. No, I don't know alot about the STS, (yet) but first impressions are lasting, and the year the thing came out, it really sucked in corn and beans. I mean they had spotters all over the field with FM 2-ways (This is kindof Clintonian (cheating_dishonest)) telling the guy in the cab what to do and still had poor samples_yields. That bites big time. It (STS) also steered way clear of a weedy patch of beans. The AF, MF, TR, and Cat went right through it. And as for the patents, I clearly mis-spoke "renewed" for "relisted" which is what is done when changes, even small ones, are made to a patent. I am man enough to mention a mistake, unlike many ego-maniacal people on here. You want to get into a pi$$ing contest over this, I have every AF patent to date, and many of them were in fact relisted.This protects the inventor from fools like JD trying to copy the stuff. The first AF design had straight impellers and the rotor was an open design. No more than a conventional cylinder turned sideways. And yes, many of the early designs were inspired by then Sperry New Holland and the twin rotor concept, both of which are fine designs. The STS is inspired by what I don't know. All the other designs use gravity, and the trash to aid in threashing and separating, where the STS works against these natural things, by "fluffing" the crop into that wierd 3 stage thing. Couple that with the fact that a Deere engineer couldn't even answer simple questions when asked about the design. If you guys like them, that is great!! That inspires competition, and maybe the others will be even better the next time. And if I may quote the king of talk radio, Rush H. limbaugh III who is 99.9% right, (100% in my book) "You are intitled to be wrong!" Good day! Oh and when you point your finger at me, you have 3 pointing back at yourself. This is in regards to staying on the AF board. I spend alot of time there, and find it interesting that I see alot of you Deere folks over there doing the same thing you accuse me of doing here. Guess that makes you and tj and others hypocrites!! And if you are up to the challange or even know what it is, I'd like to know what an STS would do in Amaranth! My uncle is a smart and wise man. Maybe you should spend some more time with yours. You might learn something about combines.