Combines Rockpicker and Dustmaker CR problems solved yetIJ

Notice where I said here in the US and AUS. Doesn't matter how well they do in specific areas, it's the whole country they will look at in which NH's sales are pitful when compared to CaseIh. Yep they always try to run the stock price up just before letting it go! JD

Sounds to me like a problem with JD equipment. OTR trucks have had computer controled engines for a while now and don't usually have problems with the computers. And these things put on way more hours than a tractor or combine in a year.

There was never a demise of the Genesis platform. NH was forced to dissolve some portion of its equipment line by the government when they bought Case. This is similar to the Bill Gates_Microsoft issue that took place, equal opportunity in the market etc... The only thing NH was able to keep from the Genesis was the Supersteer label. If they would have had a choice NH would still be producing the Genesis.

The TR platform had long outlived its design. The new CR is lightyears ahead in almost every respect. It is made more durable, more convenient, more servicable, and the list goes on. Why don't you run a CR for a couple of weeks, and then decide.

So far I haven't heard much good about the AFX yet, and I know of at least two or three guys in my area that are looking at trading red ones (2388's) on CR's during the off season. The landscape is changing....

The answer may lay within your statement........"OTR trucks have had computer controled engines for a while now and don't usually have problems with the computers. And these things put on way more hours than a tractor or combine in a year." Something that is used almost everyday, especially electronic parts are more likely to last longer if used so. It's the setting idle for periods of time that harm eletronics. JD

Thats not entirely the truth CdaveIJ They had other ways of going about the legalities that would have allowed them to hold the Genesis line. The new Blue tractor is basically a CaseIH, is it notIJ Thanks for making my case though, the demise of the Genesis was just an example of things to comeIJ Did you know that the original "new" combine was a beefed up TR-99 in the makingIJIJIJ When the Case merger went through it was also scraped. Thus, the mere fact that the 2 lines of machinery NH was thriving from was sold off or dismissed. On their biger machinery lines that is which this all spells out the demise of NH will follow soonIJ JD

Okay, I'll go along but your gonna have to spell it out to meIJ Show the weaknesses that plagued the TR and where it's improved on the CRIJ Show me the convience displayed on the CR over the TRIJ And please so me the servicability that a CR has over the TRIJ and you can continue your list of improvements if you like. The fact is, this combine is now like every other machine made. Whereas the TR came from a different line of thought which transformed into the TR-99. There is no way, they rode a platform from the early 70's to last year if it had of been a poor performerIJ Can you make that case for the CRIJ As far as me taking a test drive to help me decide, it's not neededIJ I've been around the CR enough to know it's not for me. Have run TR's since their inception, there's nothing on a CR that I feel is needed over the TR and for sure there are so many things changed and added to the CR that makes me cringe just looking at it! If I could trade every other year maybe so, but if I had the money to trade machines that often I wouldn't need to be farmin anyway. JD

JD, There is one big problem with your TR's,they did not perform in Europe so NH had to introduce the TF lineup.The CR on the other hand seems to perform worldwide,abit like the lEXION has for the past eight years!!!

Weaknesses that plagued the TR. - small shafts, upgrades were constant right from the TR70 on up - undersized cleaning systems. The more horsepower they put on the worse it got. - small uncomfortable cab - drive systems that were undersized. Especially the rotor drive belt. - return elevator system that was grossly undersized, and was a constant source of trouble. All of the above have been addressed on the CR. Convenience and Service: - in cab adjustments for all major settings, many of them preset automatically with the computer. - header hookup system takes less than half the time of that on the TR. - side shielding that opens up for service and lubrication. - service platforms that let you reach hard to reach areas for lubrication or adjustment. - one bolt adjustment for grain elevator chain tension, from the ground. The cab has some room in it so you can actually take some lunch or water with you without stumbling over it all day. Finally, if you think that you don't need to operate one to help you decide whether it is a good machine or not, you really don't want to know much about it. You are right, the TR was a good machine, its just too bad it was brought out of the oven so many times when it was only half baked. I can't speak for the TR99 because I never had one, but the TR98 was the first really good combine we had, and that goes right back to the TR70. As for the CR, time will tell, but I would suggest that they are on the right track.