Combines 8010

There's not time here to list the problems on the 50 series, course they didn't last 3 years. The 60 series are better, but still not perfect. And you'd have think they had it easy copying Whites design;0) Deere definately has it's share of RandD misses as well, so don't get all uppity there. Give it a year, it the 8010 ain't working then, hell, I'll call it a flop. Chads

I follow an assortment of these forums and I have NEVER read anything about power issues, header reverser problems, rear ends falling off, sheet metal cracking, and air intake troubles in the engine compartment on any model of the STS combines. In fact, I dont think John Deere has any updates since they introduced the STS series. Yes sir, all STS combines performed completely perfect. I only wish the IH engineers are capable of releasing a product that could vie with the John Deere STS. Instead they must be the most bungling individuals that ever walked the planet. (Sarcasm intended!) Now seriously, have you read what you typedIJ Do you have some suspicion or inclination that when the design team congregated their intentions were to develop a substandard product. I doubt when the engineers met they said, look boys and girls, what we have to do is make the worst possible product and release it to our customers ahead of schedule because the people above only care about present earnings and have none interest in what effect it will have in the future. Plus, it will be uproarious to deal with all the troubles they will have! And lastly, do you really think that there is a manufacturer that releases a completely new product and has absolutely none troubles with itIJ The problem is that people tend to be more vocal about their misfortunes rather than their fortuity. A good example is the news. Most of what is reported is information about troubles with an occasional good fortune at the end of the broadcast. I tend to think this way. We purchased a used 2388 last year and it performed phenomenally for us. It was by far the best combine we had ever run. We did not have one breakdown (combine related) for both the wheat and fall harvest. In fact, we were fortunate in our decision because it resulted with us being one of the first farms to finish harvest in the area. We only had to contend with mudding out 90 acres of beans compared to other people that had over 500 acres. Therefore, from this example and many others, I consider IH products to be top-shelf. We have always had good luck with them and I have all the confidence that they will continue to offer exceptional products. I base this reasoning on knowing that the same people working on the 23 series are the same people working on the 8010. They have a good combine in the 23 series and will have a good combine in the 8010 series (providing they do not get complacent and will continue to strive for improvement in service and quality).

look boys and girls, what we have to do is make the worst possible product and release it to our customers ahead of schedule because the people above only care about present earnings and have none interest in what effect it will have in the future. Plus, it will be uproarious to deal with all the troubles they will have! Sounds like CNH, add in a little identity crisis and I would say a good match.

Sounds like the release of the 6000-8000 series tractors to me. Chads

Yeah I know Chads, just trying to get you red guys fired up a little bit. Gets a little boring with nothing to fume about. No harm no foul. We have honestly had decent luck with our 8000's series tractors but the only thing they pull is a planter or grain cart. I know they had tons of problems with the clutch packs in the early models. Would be nice to see an IVT in them.

The things I see with the IVT, front suspension, IlS seat, rear suspension, suspended cab deals, is operating costs could go out of sight. All those joints take maintenance and service. And they're operated in pretty severe environments. Think of all the forces on the front joint on deeres IVT. Then you added two hydraulic cylinders, and more electronics. The thing that really made me start wondering about Deere's RandD was the first 6000 series I drove at a dealers open house. It was one of the first ones out. Had all plastic handles for the shifters and throttle and hydraulics. Felt all flimsy and I just couldn't see how they'd hold up. Well after the first winter there was a program to replace them all cause, guess what, they were breaking off in the cold! Same thing with the 7000's. Had to redesign the steps, battery boxes cause they would drag down crop when sidedressing. How much actual field testing would have been required to find those kinds of problemsIJIJIJ Not much. The problems with the 8000-9000 series was just kind of icing on the cake. I'm not bashing here, just saying that at that point deere was using the computer simulator and the farmer as their RandD department. With all the stuff actually breaking off of the 50 series STS it wouldn't seem they've gotten much better. Once again, not bashing, just noting, and obviously CaseIH has some issues as well. By the way, do you know how they simulate hours on their combinesIJIJIJ Chads

I agree that a little red vs. green bickering never hurts. It is rather fun as long as one keeps his blows above the belt so nobody gets offended. Also, I must ponder how many problems are caused by operator error or are self-inflicted. I know that operators are not the cause of all problems, but I think one would be pleasantly surprised. I heard of a story about some guys that were grumbling about the poor quality universal joints on their 2200 series corn head since they were having troubles with them going out. The sales guy asked if they were greasing them every ten hours (I believe that is their service interval). Understandably, they were not giving them enough grease. I have not been able to authenticate this story simply because I do not have and_or care to have any contact with the people that are of interest. Please keep in mind that I am writing this knowing well that I am not completely innocent of these accusations. However, I strongly encourage that people should discover why they are having problems as opposed to simply labeling something as junk. But, when it is junk (like all JD equipment) let the world knowonly kidding! ;-)

Im guessing they inspect the wear of the combines which they copied and formulate some erroneous conclusion. Sorry, that was a shot below the belt. ;-)

I agree about the operator getting some of the blame. I have a neighbor that is just "rough" on equipment. I don't know what he does, or if it is just his bad luck, but he can break the unbreakable, regardless of color.

We have a family of neighbors, outstanding people by the way (and Im being serious too),but they can be a little rough on their equipment. Brother and I just have to laugh when we go in their shop because they have an anvil with the horn tore off it. It kind of makes me wonder if that is where the expression came from.