Combines 8010Case 585Cat 9760Deere

The Cat guys claim their combine is years ahead of everybody else on tech.

Glad to hear another good 8010 report. The 2388's are a great machine, that's says something to hear the 8010s are even better. On a sidenote, I helped the neighbor put an injection pump on his 1440 the other day. Had a few differences I've never seen before, and I looked at the serial n it was 1207. From what I can tell, it would be number 30 off the line in 1977 or 76, whenever it was made. Moral of the story it is still chugging along, at almost 30 years old. That was quite the leap in combine technology from the 15-series to the Axial Flows. Where will the 8010s be in 30 yearsIJ Time will tell. I've been around a couple of 21-2388s that had over 4000 hrs on them, and they were great dependable machines yet. Glad to hear the 8010 is finally panning out and living up to the tradition of great red combines.

Doesn't matter what toys and gizmos it has; that's not what puts the crop in the tank. Technology has its place, don't get me wrong, but it has to be good technology that serves a purpose. The 8010 has, at least up to this point, proven that technology that is poorly applied or executed can be a machine's biggest downfall. Of the 3 machines you mentioned, the Cat 585 has the most capacity and is the best built and most reliable. It is, of course, your choice, but don't say you weren't warned. I don't want to sound like one of those bashers, so let me just say that I do think the 8010 has a number of good design innovations; the problem is that they are just not perfected yet in a reliable application.

Just go run one and you judge, dont forget to bring some earplugs for all the noise in the cab and dont touch the door or window cause if you do you will see daylight. Cat guys exact words man this 8010 is quite, Case has the bechmark set for the best cabs in industry honestly the 1400series cabs were beter than the Cats and the controls in the cab are a joke but it does have capacity 8mph with 12 row, 8010 5.4mph with 18 row 9760 6.5mph with 12 row all did good job on the ground actually 8010 beter in the tank than the rest, Deere fairly good in tank, cat exceptable but Cat guys said they could nt keep it full that was why more trash in there sample. Corn was yeilding around 200. And cats cornhead I did not care for would throw cobs and shelled corn out hitting windsheild and maybe they should try a little plastic on there heads.

(-400hp) capacity is limited by the cleaning area in this class of combines. I hope you all agree on that. And now lets compare the actually sieves area in mentioned combines. AFX 8010 - 6.5 m2 Cat 585 5.9 m2IJ STS 9760 - 4.58 m2 My money is on AFX.

Don't be too sure about that. You're forgetting that there are more mechanisms at work in a cleaning system than simply sieve area. Pneumatic cleaning effectiveness is something that can't be measured by square inches and thus cannot be compared except under the most sophisticated research conditions. The ability of air and how it is directed and used in a cleaning system has a great deal to do with a system's overall performance, so sieve area only tells one part of the story. The Deere and the Cat employ two things very well in their cleaning systems: air and cascades. A large cascade before the sieves and a high volume air stream do wonders to get chaff airborne and the systems keep it that way. The 8010 has a very small cascade and does not get the same result; it relies on a large shoe box to compensate. This is a New Holland cleaning system after all (except for the fan). The cab also comes from the yellow side. As for all combines being cleaning limited in this class, I would say that there are conditions in which these machines will be shoe limited, but by no means is it all the time. I have run them out of power before the shoe limit is reached if the head is doing its job. On the Deere it is most common to run out of rotor capacity (separation) before horsepower or shoe. In 20-plus years of working with combines, I've learned there are very, very few absolute truths.

Compare the number of moving parts on the 8010 to a cat just on the trashing and seperating of the grain before the sieves is enough for me to see which one is going to have reliability and longevity. For a corn and soybean grower in the midwest what in the world would you want all of the extra stuff designed on the cat for wet straw conditions in EuropeIJ Adjustments on the cat is much more difficult too. Perfect example is the neighbors new cat was splitting seed soybeans. He had a very hard time figuring out whether it was the acclerator,cylinder, the 2 rotors or all of them involved in splitting the beans. ONE ROTOR is all I have needed for over 25 years of harvesting. The 1 rotor system has never let me down one single time.

Whenever someone starts telling me about their degree or how many years they have worked on or with something I normally start dismissing everything they say. But, I liked the last sentence in this last message so I won't start bashing this email. I will say, the Case and New Holland are not even remotely close, especially in the cab. All controls are different, monitor is different, seat is different, really nothing is the same except maybe the contour of the front window. Just from riding in each of them for quite a few hours, I think the new holland is shorter but not for sure, they did have different tires so not exactly for sure. How many semi's does a person need if combines cut more than 4-5 thousand bu_hour. Grain carts per combineIJ Fuel price may be the limiting factor. Every time we filled our combine it was like 700 bucks! I'm off to the KSU game.

Well glad to hear case still has the best cab's and does the best job in the tank. also glad to hear that combine is comeing around I know everyone thought it should be just perfect in the begining but i think anyone especially someone who knows something about equipment should know that it takes a while to get machines figure out. I thought it was kinda funny how some of the first time guys blow up when its not perfect.... you guys and more farmers who bought these right away had to have known what you were getting yourself into and what the results would be A combine that in a few years has become a good one. So thanks and i'll be glad when we get one and its just as dependable as the 2388 i'll send all of you a thank you card for christmas

Glad to hear your 8010 out performed the other machines I am curious if you know could you post the list price for each machine with the corn head included. I am just guessing but I would think each machine would be close to $400,000.00 with the head price included.