Combines 8010Case 585Cat 9760Deere

[Harvester]

I see your point, but I don't necessarily see the "simplicity" of the 8010 compared to the Cat, nor would I agree that the Cat is more difficult to adjust. If anything, it seems easier to set to me because you set your threshing system independently of your separation system; that's the downfall of single rotor combines. Simplicity does NOT necessarily translate into reliability. The MF rotary is the simplest combine on the market, so by your logic one would conclude that it is the most reliable machine. May or may not be true. You also need to evaluate the quality of components and design. The first rule of success with a combine is understanding how it works. Your neighbor must not yet understand the machine. Tell him to follow the same rules as any other combine. For cracked beans, cylinder speed is too high; concave clearance too tight, or returns volume is excessive. The rotors in the Cat are for separation, and it would be highly unlikely that they would account for grain damage. As for moving parts, suppose for example we are going to evaluate a combine over 2000 hours of use. Now let's say that the 8010 has 1 part for a certain job and the Cat has 2 or even 3. The Cat's 2 or 3 parts that are of high quality and good design will likely endure the 2000 hours while the 8010's cheaper part will have failed 2 or 3 times. Which is betterIJ

 

[Harvester]

The 8010 was born out of the NH CR_CX design. They have the same wheelbase specs because the lower frames and axles are the same (NH). The cab structures are also identical. Yes, the controls, monitor, and seat fabric are different. But cab glass, structure, and doors are identical. It is a very first-rate cab; compliments to New Holland for a job well done.

 

[RedHat]

Why does everyone still call the lexion a "CAT". I thought that Cat was out of the ag business and sold out to AGCO and the combines were sold 100% back to Claas in North AmericaIJ All CAT does is supply the power plant don't theyIJ

 

[ONTMX285]

Hello CORNKING, Did you get any pictures you'd be willing to share of your AFX8010, the CAT585, and DEERE 9760STS in the feild today IJ Also, did the 9760STS have the "all new" Bullett Rotor, or was it the original Single Tine Seperation device IJIJ Thanks, RJ

 

[greenstrat]

If none of the parts on the most complicated machine in the world ever failed, it would be the most reliable. Nobody uses bearings or builds castings that are that good because of economics so we get what is being sold today. 20 Years ago or maybe more the selling point was long life. Now, it is whatever it takes to get that thing to the end of warranty then bye bye. gs

 

[Case_Farmer]

What if the 8010's part ist crap like you said and its one part is good hum......... Your assuming the 8010 is junk lol im just going off the last sentence I have heard from owners and off this site it does seem like the cat has a problem cracking beans so since case doesn't and in most samples does the best job.... i think quality goes to he who does the best job in the tank

 

[Case_Farmer]

Yeah its just a yellow claas.... well they still use the CAT name on the brand new machines too I think the company thinks farmers see CAT as being a big tuff machine....cause it associates to the tractors and bulldozers.... lexion doesn't mean anything in USA and Claass means those dorky green...white...red...orange..black ish combines you always saw in some dealers and thought who in the heck would buy that thing lol common i do have some good points

 

[560]

My neighbor isn't a idiot! He has a lifetime of combine operation. He did suggested adjustments from the book and the dealer. It certainly isn't as easy as you seem to think with the cat and it certainly isn't as easy as the adjustments for splits with a single rotor thrashing system. Common sense tells me all of the extra processing to get the beans through the cat thrashing system will result in more crop damage. Your assumption of the high quality and reliability of the cat are far cry from reality. The reliability of the cat has been nothing to write home about in my area . 6 cats have been sold or leased in my immediate area over the years. Only one farmer has been a repeat customer. My neighbor. His brand new cat this year has had numerous service calls. Much more then the previous model. His exact words are "If I would have known I was going to have this much trouble I would have considered another brand." Now he might end up to be a happy customer when all is said and done but his sentiments echo the same things I've read about the 8010 on here. What is going to be the big reliability issue with the 8010IJ Right now after 2 years of use for me it certainly doesn't appear to be the rotor or cvt drives. The cvt drives are one of the most well engineered components I've ever seen on ag equipment. It is a premium unit and is setting a standard other manufactuers are attempting to copy and design right now.

 

[Old_Pokey]

Makes perfect sense to me. I am in one of those areas that the cleaning system is the limiting factor. Hot dry harvest conditions in small seeds. The header dont use spit for power, a belt pickup, and we dont even know what a powered rear axle is, much less bar lugged tires an a combine. To get seeds smaller and lighter than the chaff it is mixed with, out of the chaff, and to have a tank sample that will even unload from the tank, you set the rest of the machine around the shoe_fan capacity.

 

[Case_Farmer]

Good post Also one of our neighbors has 5 cats only uses's 4. The other usually is sitting there with parts gutted out but it also doesn't help that the local cat dealer in southern ill is in clinton il. thats up by decatur basically