Combines 8010Case 585Cat 9760Deere

lOl point taken

yeah this is a big mess we are getting ourselves into if you can go low on hired help and large equipment and work really hard every day you can make it Thats where we are right now...and i think we will stay that way... glad im young lol

I like to say combines are like computers: Garbage in, garbage out. I can set an 8010 to plow dirt too if I want to. There is a learning curve to running every machine. Interestingly enough, the 8010 is every bit as foreign if not more so than the lexion is. Fiat is CNH's parent company and is Italian. The Iveco engine in the 8010 - Italian. A good deal of the 8010s design is taken from the NH CX, which is a machine designed by and for the European market. The lexion has evolved from a largely European machine to one that has taken on its own distinct American identity as the Cat lexion, as opposed to the Claas lexion, and yes there are significant differences if you actually look. Whether a machine's parent company is Italian or German doesn't make it good or bad. The merits of the product make it so. It would seem that the 8010 is in its life cycle where you claim the lexions were several years back - electronics that suck, and no resale value. The lexion has evolved greatly and is a success. The 8010, time will tell. It is too soon to proclaim the 8010 is a great combine. CNH is working on it, and we must give them time.

CNH cabs are bild in same factory in France all cast iron from belgium etc. The sieves are from NH CT with wery little mod. Actualy it ie the best sieves in my opinion. CIH should use returns system from NH as well on AFX. Just my opinion

Ok the oldest known way to clean the grain is to cheval against the wind. Now tell me what is the better way to take a big cheval or a smaller oneIJ Thats right JD has a big cascade (big cheval) CNH has 4 small ones. Another thing. Take the look on air distribution in JD it has two elbows almost 180 degrees each. Isnt it a waist of energyIJ I reed some there that 3 years ago was build working combine model with scanner above the grain pan. It recognizes grain and chaff and directs the wind towards the chaff (just like painting pictures on t-shirts. Of cause for a price of this combine you could buy a small satellite if you want to buy it now. I believe after some years it will be standard on all combines but until then I think American way (or Russian way) big and simple is the best way.

Our AFX was tested by AG uniwersity an they fing 0.22% of damaged grains in barley when output was 35t_h just som figures

I thought the lexions electronics sucked and I still think the won't have resale value. In fact, I think they need to sell a few of them to find out what kind of resale they will have, they haven't sold enough of them to even know what the resale value is going to be. The last used combine I would ever look at would be a lexion. Where would we get parts or serviceIJ I wasn't talking about the 8010 parts being foriegn. I was talking about ease of running. The 8010 is simple to run, The lexions were not simple to figure out. I wasn't bashing foreign countries or where parts are being made. I was bashing the intuitiveness of learning the system. The lexion was abbrassive to say the least. I swear your one of the foreigners riding around in one of these combines demo'ing them across the country, am I correctIJ I can't imagine anyone else defending a lexion quite like you have. Did you buy one of these and depend on it for your livelyhoodIJ Tell me your story. Tell me how many hours you've spent in different combines. The lexion people I have talked to either worked for john deere or case already, just about every single one of them. Talk to me, let me know where you sit and then I'll understand where and why you stand for what you think is right. There isn't anything wrong with a lexion, but to bash other combines to try to bring your combine upIJ Come on now, be honest. Tell all please. Do you have the guts or honestyIJ Will you even answerIJ

I smell a sales man here no doubt about it.. I must say you doth protest to much. I quess if you keep saying this stuff enough you will finally convince somebody. Yourself. Your comment "I can set a 8010 to plow dirt if I want to" makes no sense. All of us including the tech and salesman were trying to set the combine so it would not plow dirt. Why would we want to set it so it would. I quess we never found the "Sweet Spot". As far as resale have you ever seen a lexion tradein for a Deere,CIH,Gleaner,etc. No domestic equipment dealer will touch one in a trade and the equipment companies will offer no incentives for their dealers to trade or target the lexion. leasing the lexion would be your only option or you are going to take it in the shorts big time. You should change your name to The lexion Barfly the way you"re on a CaseIH web page trying to sell the merits of a combine none of us have a interest in.

Yes, I'll answer if you'll listen, and hearing is not the same thing as listening. A salesman, no. I've never been one although I do think it would be a fun job someday. To both your questions, I am just a former custom harvester living in eastern North Dakota who has a passion for combines. Always have. Started working on and with them in the late 70s as the rotaries were coming to market. Today I farm a bit and have a shop out of which I run a small repair business, mostly combine repair_maintenance for neighbors. As a result, I get to help them run and set a variety of different combines in a variety of different crops. There are 4 8010s that I help with, and I've logged time in all of them in edible beans, soybeans, corn, wheat, barley, and oats. I've also had lexions since '98 and continue to today. While this conversation seems to have revolved around those two machines, I also work on Deere, 2388s, Gleaners, Massey, and New Holland. To a solid red loyalist it might seem that I'm harsh on the 8010, but I've always called a spade a spade. look back on some of my other posts and you'll see I'm quite a bit more critical of the STS. I will grant you that I tend to be pretty skeptical of entirely new machines like the 8010, but I've found that these companies just don't seem to test things like they used to. They rely on customers to do too much of the engineering that they should have done, and frankly I have found this to be true of the 8010. Tell me I'm wrong. I think you'll find most 8010 owners will agree. I love talking combines I admit, and perhaps I come across as overbearing at times, but like I said, I call a spade a spade, and simply cannot agree with most of the statements made about the lexion. I'll discuss any brand combine you like, but I've found that the lexion simply can't be beat in field performance in 9 out of 10 crop conditions you put it in. And working with so many combine operators of various skill and experience levels, I see a lot of machines run poorly and some run well. If we can't make a machine perform, we are all too quick to blame it on the combine when most of the time it is the operator. That's what I mean when I say that I can make an 8010 perform badly too just as easily as I can poorly set a lexion. If you'd care to discuss and debate the merits of other machines to the 8010 rather than the lexion, I'll be happy to. And as I said in an earlier post, I don't want to bash the 8010, but I do believe it is worthwhile and beneficial to discuss the shortcomings of machines. If you only want to hear good things, call your CaseIH salesman. There, now does that clear things upIJ

If you look back at my posts, you'll see I have bashed 8010's on this site more than most. I would agree 100% that they did not test this combine to the extent they should of, but to defend lexion like you were, thats when I thought you were way off. I'm off to fish, take it easy. Good email.