Combines Acc rolls need explained

Il_Silver

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I'm not familiar with a Massey, but the accelerator rolls in a Gleaner help to evenly distribute the material coming from the cylinder to the cleaning shoe. On the Gleaner, they do make a difference, especially on hillside operations. Once they wear significantly, they allow freefall of material to the cleaning shoe, resulting in overloading of one area of the shoe. Of course, that experience was with an R50 and an early R52.
 

Silver_Shoes

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Riceman I will try to explain, First of all this device is simple to implement in a gleaner rotor because it is mounted tranversly instead of the axial design. Accelerator rolls are two inter meshing rollers that mount under the cylinder. When grain falls through the cylinder the spinning accerlator rolls propel the grain down to a grain pain. Other machines just use gravity to drop grain, therefore gleaner uses a very high blast of air pressure to loft MOG or chaff out of grain very early in the cleaning process. The grain is much heavier than chaff so the grain is thrown to the grain pan and chaff is blown back with a hard blast of air. Most of the chaff shouldnt even hit the much of the sieve area, they keep it floating on a bed of air. If you encounter many slopes you will not see the problem with grain migrating to one side of the sieve, because the accelerator rolls throw the grain downward so it works against gravity. In the gravity process of most machines the grain is dropped and then migrates to the one side of the sieve area overloading it. This is why when ppl ask questions here about grain loss over the sieve area, the first thing we ask is about the condition of the rolls. With worn rolls you cant utilize the air blast very well. BTW they are relatively simple to replace. Just imagine rubber cog paddles propelling the grain downward, as the grain is propelled it encounters a heavy blast of air, wherefore the chaff starts separating right at that moment. It will be a little more difficult to implement the idea in an axial flow machine, but I think it can be done. I think the tranverse rotor is maxed out on size so they are looking at the Massey rotor because it is massive and has a larger area of threshing. I think if you go to farm photo you can find a photo of the gleaner system expanded so you can see the basics of how it works.
 

tbran

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accellerator rolls accelerate the grain 4 times faster than free fall STRAIGHT DOWN IN RElATION TO THE COMBINE and 15 degrees forward. Thus the grain overcomes gravitational forces that pulls normal free fall to the down hill side of a cleaner shoe resulting in overlaods to that side of the shoe. In FACT most shoe loss on hillsides does not come from grain sifting to the downhill side, the grain STARTS OUT on the downhill side and stays there. Try this simple illustraton, hold a few grains of crop in your left hand and drop it into your right hand (vice versa if your are right handed :)),now do the same drop and tilt your receiving bottom hand about 15 degrees. See, the grain will not even touch your hand. the same thing happens in the combine . Now THROW the grain toward your catch hand and if you have ever played any ball you can see that you can even throw the grain 90 degrees and hit your mark. The other advantage is the ability to turn up the air through the high speed grain and 'pre clean it' more so than any brand without accel rolls. Imagine cleaning popcorn you shell by hand and pouring it through an air blast from a window fan. If one turns the up fan high enough it will blow out the grain as well as the chaff. BUT if one accelerates the grain toward the catch pan it will not blow away the good stuff. The grain being thrown into the air blast helps as well. The grain always lands on the area in front of the shoe that has a layer of grain on it held by those little strips. This prevents grain damage. One can build the largest machine in the world cylinder wise, but if you can't keep it in the shoe on hillsides you can't utilize the capacity of the machine. (remember the pullout sections on some machines chaffer rear section to dump the stream of grain back top tailings on hillsidesIJ) This is the reason the roll lugs need to be kept in good shape is that if the grain looses its velocity it will be blown back mid-shoe and thus lose a bunch of capacity, loose its super powers and become mere mortal like all the others...
 

Kurt

Guest
What do you think about the new combines that shift their shoes 15 degreesIJ Is that enough help to overcome their limitationsIJ Just wondering Kurt
 

riceman

Guest
That is going to be hard to put in a traditional rotor isn't itIJ I wonder where its mountedIJ Thanks for explaining it. I think I understand what they do. Are they smooth or do they have a tread on themIJ I picture in my mind a hay conditioner with the rubber crimpers. Am I even closeIJ
 

tbran

Guest
NO, it helps, but just think of grain falling in a sheet the width of the shoe, the combine drops off in a little dip then rights itself, the shoe can't react that fast. Also the grain is falling slowly, if the combine turns at the end at any speed at all a slinging action occurs. Also there will still be an overloading of the down hill side on more sever slopes or terraces. The ideal is the accelerator rolls. The tilting shoe still does not lend itself to the high air blast pneumatic cleaning. We talked side to side but what about going uphillIJ Accel rollers take care of that. AlSO did you notice that most gleaners do not have return to cylinder tailingsIJ There is also a gentle threshing action associated with the accelerator rolls. Otherwise pods of unshelled beans would go round and round the cycle til it filled the shoe! Happy TDAY!
 

tbran

Guest
They are rubber and are about 20% larger than snapping rolls on a corn hd, run the width of the shoe at the front of the shoe, catch the grain from the rotor after the grain goes through a distribution system to evenly despense the grain. They are timed lugs again just like snapping rolls on a corn head and accelerate grain 4 times faster than free fall. The luggs are replaceable.
 

sidekick

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Was talking with a guy today who has R42 about the neat aspects of the "G" rotories.We talked about acc. rolls and what you all say about them getting worn.He's still learing things about this machine as he grew up on the conventionals.Just so happened that the 42 was in the shed by where we were so we had a look-see at his acc. rolls.Whoo-wee!!! Ya could stick yer flat hand through rolls!!I told him about the pencil test and he decided he's got one more thing to put on the "list".Glad I could help out and all because of what I've learned on this site.HAPPY THANKSGIVING
 

Harvester

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Combines are a rolling physics experiment, and the Gleaner is a marvel. A combine's cleaning system works with two mechanisms: mechanical sieve action to separate based on particle size and pneumatics (air) to separate based on mass differential of particles (heavy vs. light matter). The Gleaner has the most powerful pneumatic system of any combine before or since, and thus relies less on the mechanical sieve action, allowing these machines to have smaller sieve areas than competitors, yet have superior cleaning performance. As you mentioned, the accelerator rolls are the key because they ARTIFICIAllY augment or increase the difference in weight between the chaff and the grain. Under gravity that all other combines use, these particles have a difference in weight equal to their mass times gravitational force (Force=Mass*Acceleration). The Gleaner uses this law brilliantly by not using gravity, but by supplying its own force equal to 4 times gravity with the accelerator rolls. Hence, the difference in weight is artificially multiplied by a factor of 4. SoIJ A larger difference in weight means you can put more air to a stream of chaff and grain. The grain will be relatively unaffected by this air blast, while a very high percentage of the trash (chaff),nearly 90% in some cases, is removed even before it touches a sieve. It is propelled out of the machine, leaving what little trash remains to be separated and cleaned by the sieves and air through the sieves. The hillside and slope compensating advantages of the accelerator rolls have already been discussed, but they are also the key component to the amazing pneumatic pre-cleaning power of this combine. Either no other manufacturer is smart enough to recognize the inherent simplicity and effectiveness of this design, or they are just too proud to copy it.
 

Ed_Boysun

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Good explanation of what it does. Now to see WHAT it does. link below to results of '04 harvest duties of the R72 with brand new Accel. rolls and some other hyper stuff. Ed in MT
 
 
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