Combines AGCO

[Tom_S]

I believe that even with the effect of inflation, you could sell some E model size combines. You can argue the cost effectiviness for AGCO to yourself, but there are a bunch of small timers who still exist that will purchase used machines like this frequently. The alternative is waiting your turn for a contractor. Older machines [many 30 or more years] are still in service and the operators depend heavily on the parts supply line which is the crown AGCO jewel.It has become a case sell your soul and farm to the finance agent for the sake of production, or just keep on doing productive work.

 

[Illinois_Gleaner]

Tbran,

 

[T__langan]

I think the skepticism of AGCO by fans of competing brands will wain in the next ten years or so. I'm sure you have read the posts on the net this fall from the red and green guys and all the troubles they're having. The 9000 conventional Deeres can't handle tough beans, holes in the grain tanks as early as 800 hours, the red guys are constantly complaining of very poor workmanship in the 2300 series combines. You just don't see the complaints with these Gleaners - in fact, everyone seems to be quite thrilled with them. And the new AGCO Allis and White tractors sound like they are a match for anything else the competition has to offer. Be patient, this company has been through some turmoil dating all the way back to 1986. The dust will settle in due time and I tend to believe the rest of the world will view AGCO's products as the diamonds that WE see instead of the lump of coal that they THINK they are. I can't begin to count the number of times I've read where some guy states that all AGCO is is a collection of bankrupt companies and therefore their products are somehow inferior. This ag economy has been a real p_sser the past 15 - 20 years and not all machinery companies had other divisions like insurance and construction equipment to keep them afloat like big green has. Just because they fell victim to the bad economy doesn't mean they made poor quality equipment. I'm willing to bet that the very guys who make these statements have something in their machinery lineup that they wouldn't be able to get parts for if it weren't for AGCO. They should count their blessings!

 

[T__langan]

I agree with you about the Gleaner E analogy - yes there is a demand for these smaller machines, BUT, would you be willing to pay even $80,000 for one that sizeIJ I believe tbran made that point in a post not long ago that they were considering building the F3's again in the late 80's but found the cost to produce them was nearly as much as for an R40. The price tag would be inhibitive for all the more capacity the machines would have. Now, -I- might be willing to pay $40,000 for a brand new D17 Series IV though, if they were to go back into production! Tom l.

 

[T__langan]

tbran - where are the big Allis and White tracors being built atIJ Have they quit building them at the plant in IndependenceIJ If so, whyIJ Just curious-

 

[PETE]

Does AGCO have ten years to wait for things to come aroundIJ How many of the current AGCO dealers can wait that longIJ How many of the Orange faithful will be left thenIJ I agree with the one post that stated the if AGCO truly wants to regain market share while there are some of us left they need to do it with price along with quality, why should I pay the same $ for a product that is not proven and in the past the previous products have been unreliableIJ (N series combines and 7000 series tractors). One of the reasons my dad went with AC years ago was that he could do the same thing that the other guys could for less $$$ and he had a reliable dealer. I get a lot of crap from the neighbors about being orange and silver but when we compare our debt to asset ratios I am the one smiling. I love my AC's and thanks to guys like Tom, Dan and Hyper IandII I have machines that can out perform the red and green ones for less $$$. Sorry for the outburst but I just sold some corn and watched beans drop another $.12_bu.

 

[Illinois_Gleaner]

Tom,

 

[Rolf]

Hmmmmmm

 

[T__langan]

I agree - that's why I feel it's up to us Allis_Gleaner diehards to spread the word. The net is a wonderful vehicle for this - we can reach thousands of fellow farmers at OUR convenience, and except for typing something really stupid, not suffer from stage fright or have anyone see that booger hanging from our nose! Tom l.

 

[PETE]

If I didn't think you are someone who really nose what he is talking about I would tend to think you were trying to be snotty Tom! Time to boogie!