Combines R85 and Sisu

A view from else where on the planet! In Oz, we see it all. In some areas, such as cars [ autos ] the Europeans leave the North Americans way behind in quality and efficiency. In large scale ag gear, the USA is best. In small scale ag gear, the Europeans are way in front. The Europeans, when they get their act together can take on any body for quality, efficiency and price. Their problem is that they are simply not as good at pushing their products as the Americans. Never under-estimate your competition. Cheers.

The reason for the past changes are self evident. How many other companies have changed and will change engine brands in the futureIJ There are coming changes, consolidations and kinships. Stability would be nice.

small cats are perkins, and yes you are correct

AGCO got tired of the same BS as you. That is why they bought an engine company to have as their very own. Now they won't have to jump thru hoops and will eliminate one (or several) middlemen.

I think the Sisu engine would be a great asset to Agco's combines. I used to work at a White dealership and I was not impressed with Cummins. I would stay with the Perkins that we have in the Masseys on our farm. Also anyone hear rumors about the new Agco_Challenger articulated tractors.

An in house quality engine would be a good thing and these Sisu's sound good.Not everyone lives close to a major 24hr Cummins shop who is in direct competition with Cat(Fabic) down the road for reputation.Go green Mike,then you can brag on your whole machine not just the engine.

I've been running a Massey 8160 tractor with the valmet or sisu engine since 1998 and I love it. The engine I have is rated at 210 hp. It is very fuel efficient and uses no oil. I think these engines would be great for the combines also. I see my friends with the cummins power dumping in a gallon of oil every other day and my deere buds needing a fuel tanker to run along side. I guess what I'm saying is don't be afraid of the Sisu engine.

lets see an in house quality engine that has to come from Finland. I have heard good things about the Sisu, but why not make it in the USA that way it will be built to USA specs and we avoid the amisions and other problems that could arise. You can rip Cummins or Cat all you want but they will make more engines than AGCO will ever think about. Make the Sisu an option for those who want it and make the Cummins or Cat an option for those who want that. Not a big fan of the green paint except for the antique 2 cylinders. We were all AGCO except our articulated 4WD's for 20 years, however all our tillage equipment, planter and last FWA are either red or blue in the past 5 years. I still think the Gleaner is the best value going, but there are better improvements that could be made other than screwing around with the type of engine. Finally don't stick it in a Massey. It will take 50 years of good Massey combines to fix the reputation of the ones they made in the 70's and 80's.

Yes, stability WOUlD be nice, and it appears that is what AGCO is aiming for. People have to remember that AGCO was built (and being built) from the ground up. They started with nothing of their own really, except Gleaner and the White tractor, which used Cummins. It looks like AGCO is on their way to going back to the way Allis Chalmers was back in the good ol' days - a complete line of equipment, and their own engines to put in them. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it would have been too much to ask of the small, budding AGCO to have had their own engines right off the bat. People must remember, also, that when Allis Chalmers needed a diesel, they bought Buda. Gleaner came from the Baldwin Bros., their plows were lacrosse Plow Co., and I'm sure there were many more aquisitions which made A-C what it was. There were probably a lot of naysayers back then too, but they didn't have the luxury of the Net to get together and complain about it! I don't know a thing about these Sisu engines, but we all know that tbran is a well respected member of this forum and his opinion can be trusted. If he thinks they will be a positive addition to AGCO's line, I think we owe it to him and to AGCO to keep an open mind about it. I also believe that if things had gone better with Deutz (the company),parts would be much more readily available and more reasonably priced. Again, AGCO was working with what they had at the time, and that was Deutz. We really can't blame AGCO. Tom langan

Engines (or anything, for that matter) do not need to be built here in the U.S. to be made to our specs. It was just discussed below that a good number of Cummins and Cat engines are not built here. AGCO equipment is a lot more popular in other countries than it is here in the U.S.. I'm sure AGCO has it figured that it makes more sense to build the engines closer to where the majority of them will be sold. Tom langan