Combines R85 and Sisu

[tbran]

Coldwater is probably not an option, for many reasons but as I have learned, never say never. A new plant will be located in an logistical location to reduce transportation costs. However, many communities will 'give away the store' to get a new plant to come in and employ a few folks so that could be an equalizer.

 

[AGCO_AllIS__MAN]

What are the reasons Coldwater wouldnt have a plantIJ They were suppose to built a new plant severial yrs ago before CaseIh sold off their share of Hesston Kansas plant to Agco. I seen it on our local news and hoped it would happen.I live 30 minutes from there and would love to see it happen like all the former employees who lost their jobs.There needs to be a plant in the USA again forsure.Please let us know what you know.

 

[MostlyGreen]

Thanks for getting back to me, tbran. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what AGCO does regarding an articulating 4WD. I just can't help but think that, the longer they wait, the more of the market they'll miss! Personally, I thought the primitive, low-cost "no-frills" and cheap horsepower of the AGCOSTAR was a winner!

 

[dave_morgan]

I read your article with enthusiasm and open minded thirst of knowledge...You make a lot of good points. I question your knowledge of wet sleeves and cavitation, wondering why you feel the need to take away from other manufacturers to sell your product. 1.Cavitation has little to do with 'proper support' of the sleeve in a wet sleeve engine...Cavitation for the most part begins and ends with using pond water for coolant, always has been and will be in the forseeable future...Pure and simple, poor maintenance...Coolant care and condition is just as important to the life of an engine as the engine oil itself...You didn't mention IH engine in your negative engine comments and I am wondering whyIJ..lack of experience or did you overlook them being one of the first along with Cummins to experience the 'phenominom' in all its grace and glory...Checking coolant and keeping the proper additives will stop cavitation in its tracks and in the bargain will allow antifreeze to be 'recycled' in the same engine that it came in from the factory...Antifreeze is just that, and never looses its ability to keep water from freezing at its level of concentration...Additives however don't last forever, can be tested at an annual service event, and works well long as the operator understands the difference between using makeup coolant already mixed distilled water, antifreeze, and additives, not topping off the radiator with pond water...Sorry to say, this one particular point you have so erronously failed to report has me wondering how much other facts you have construed in your 'tail'. Please reply, I have no axe to grind with you and sincerely want to get to the bottom of the cavitation issue of which you speak.

 

[dave_morgan]

Made in the US of A...Hardly see that anymore...Something has gone wrong with our economy and way of thinking - marketing...The engine company in Columbus Indiana has been there for years, employed many Hoosier bread winners, farmers work there too if that has any impact at all on your thinking. Gentlemen, we are selling ourselves...Pure and simple...We are selling ourselves to the nations overseas, money shipped out daily never to return to the US of A that we used to be so proud of. And we speak of all the down falls of our products as if we were living abroad and had no thoughts of our neighbors working in US of A factorys to support their families. You speak of fuel tankers running beside Deeres, and Fabick Tractor Company turning the Ag market away...Was I dreaming when I saw Crustbuster drills and Claas combines sitting in Salem even before the Claas-Cat relationship ever beganIJ What ever happened to farmer dealer realtionship and trustIJ How did so many rag heads get into this country before we decided they shouldn't have been here in the first place. My Daddy ran a landing craft in the Phillipine Islands during WWII...It hurts my heart to think of what we have become after he gave so much for his country. We have become a 'world economy' and that is supposed to be 'good'...Tariffs are supposed to be gone or reduced in the future...We put down engines that are made by a company that Americans have been making a living in for 100 years...We sell the public on how much better the Sisu engine is than any US of A could ever hope to be...Doesn't require a fuel transport running alongside in the field...Have you no feeling for your fellow manIJ..Has saving a gallon of oil every two days become a profit center so important to your liveleyhood that you so freely sell your neighbor's job to a 'Wap' across the pondIJ I have no qualms with AGCO supporters pushing the fact that AGCO products use engines in the country the machine was designed and manufactured...I do have issues with AGCO supporters endearing themselves and trying to impress on us the importance and great improvements a made across the pond engine and combine can do to help this country...In the meantime I will gladly pour that gallon of US oil in my combine every other day and feel good as my neighbor drives by my place on his way to work.

 

[dairyman]

I stood at the Cummins booth at FPS and they were telling everyone that cavitation was caused by sleeve vibration and the subsequent "bursting" of air bubbles that accumulate on liner sidewalls. This causes continued erosion of the metal until - cavitation. May take 10,000 hours, but that is still the cause. Having a mid-supported liner reduces the liner wall vibration, and thus, reduces air bubble "explosions". Additives only reduce acidity and number of air bubbles, thus slowing the cavition process.

 

[dave_morgan]

I don't buy the theory. There may indeed be a problem with not enough meat in an engine block with wet sleeves that I don't know about, but anything 'here' manufactured in the last 40 years, with wet sleeves, is living on Nacool, distilled water, and antifreeze...We never change coolant, we don't install a filter if a filter isn't already on the engine...We had low liners on one engine in the early 80s, discovered we didn't realize how important coolant was, and solved our problem...Must be doing something right as we haven't had an engine problem since...We don't have a large fleet, but do have enough that I feel like are a reasonable cross section of todays engines. Caterpillar dealer diagnosed low liners as coolant related problem, not really my opinion, just stating facts that I have witnessed in our operation.

 

[NDDan]

I don't think you need to question tbrans knowledge of engines, ect. He has contributed positively here on this page on a great variety of subjects including his MIl for many years. I suppose he shouldn't have mentioned the other engine brands but oh well. Read back aways and you see lots of it. Your right, proper maintanance will reduce the the amount of cavitation due to sleeve pulsations. Time will tell if supporting sleeve at three locations will reduce this. Proper maintanance will also reduce the amount of cavitation due to excess coolant flow concentrated on certain area of sleeves. One thing is for sure and that is a great portion of operators will pay no attention to the SCAs in their coolant. It's hard enough to get some of them to replace the spin on filter which has a dose of SCA in it. Have a good day